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Jihad Debate: Is it Imperialism or Self-Improvement?


Davi Barker, writing at Patheos, concentrates on attempting to discredit Pamela Geller
with adhominem attacks while projecting that tactic onto her.

  • “Anti-Muslim
    demagogue,
    Pam
    Geller

    • “blows
      a wad of cash”

      • “on
        an ad (hominem) campaign against 
        Islam,”
      • “critical
        of the boogeyman Muslims she imagines under her bed”

Preferring to debate the issue rather than
personalities and process, I left the following comment, which was not
published.  Since I am writing on my own blog and a few friendly
blogs where I can use html and won’t be censored, I am adding
hyperlinks to my sources so that readers can verify the quotes and
examine their context.

Adhominem attack is against the debater
not her facts: you labeled Geller “bigot”.

You denounce ‘violent extremists’; do you denounce Muhammad bin
Abdullah,
who dictated & dispatched extortion letters1 demanding Jizya, then
followed up with his army, slaughtering, dispossessing and enslaving2
those who refused to submit ?  Muhammad said that he was “raised
for jihad and not for tillage”3, “sent with a sword to see that
none but
Allah is worshiped4
and “commanded to fight”5 with men.  He
also said that he was “made victorious with terror”6
but you can not
denounce him as a terrorist.

Who is better qualified to define Jihad: you or two who translated the
Qur’an?  “Al-Jihâd
(holy fighting) in Allâh’s Cause
” [Hilali/Khan
2:190]7.
Who is better qualified to define Jihad: you or the
Shafi’i school of Islamic law?

Jihad
means to war against non-Muslims
,

and is etymologically derived from the word

mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the

religion.” ” [The Reliance of the Traveller, Book O9.0,  p. 599]8

Who said this: “(This is also a part of the war booty you earned.
Verily, I have no share in it, except my own share, the fifth
designated to me. Even that fifth will be given to you (indicating the
Prophet’s generosity). Therefore, surrender even the needle and the
thread, and whatever is bigger or smaller than that (from the war
spoils). Do not cheat with any of it, for stealing from the war booty
before its distribution is Fire and a shame on its people in this life
and the Hereafter. Perform
Jihad against the people in Allah’s cause,
whether they are near or far
, and do not fear the blame of the
blamers,
as long as you are in Allah’s cause. Establish Allah’s rules while in
your area and while traveling. Perform Jihad in Allah’s cause, for
Jihad
is a tremendous door leading to Paradise.
Through it, Allah
saves
(one) from sadness and grief.)” 9 ?

Who said this: “(The greatest of all things is Islam, its pillars are
the prayers and its
pinnacle is Jihad for the sake of
Allah
.)”10?
Who knows better what Jihad is, you or the
founder of Islam?

If Jihad means Jihad an Nafs: struggle against ego
& temptation, why are the various books of Jihad in hadith
collections predominantly about raids & conquests?


  1. http://alquraan.net/letters/letters_1.html
  2. Surah Al-Ahzab 33:26-27
  3. Ibn Sa’d’s KITAB AL-TABAQAT AL-KABIR Volume 1,
    Parts 1.25.7
  4. The
    Benefits of Iron, Tafsir Ibn Kathir
      http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir//57.52680.html
  5. http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/hadeeth/abudawud/014.html#014.2635 

    http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/hadeeth/bukhari/052.html#004.052.196

  6. http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/hadeeth/bukhari/052.html#004.052.552

    http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/hadeeth/bukhari/007.html#001.007.331
  7. http://www.qurancomplex.com/Quran/Targama/Targama.asp?nSora=
    2&l=eng&nAya= 190# 2_ 190
  8. http://www.shariahthethreat.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/reliance_of_the_traveller.pdf#page=617
  9. Ruling on the Spoils of War (Ghanimah and
    Fai ), Tafsir Ibn Kathir http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir//8.20194.html
  10. The State of the People of Faith and
    Their Reward Allah states: Tafsir Ibn Kathir http://www.islam-universe.com/tafsir//32.41021.html

 

April 13, 2013 Posted by | Islam, Jihad, Political Correctness | , , , , , , | 1 Comment

Obamination: Treachery at the U.N.; War Path


Quotes are taken from a transcript of President Obama’s remarks to the General Assembly, published by the New York Times. [Emphasis added.]

That brings me to the second pillar for our future: the pursuit of peace.

The United Nations was born of the belief that the people of the world can live their lives, raise their families, and resolve their differences peacefully.

Perhaps they could, if there were no predators.  But while there are no predators, there will be war unless the prey are united and strong enough to deter the predators.   Establishing and maintaining peace with an international institution would require an institution of sufficient power and authority to act effectively against any predator or collection of predators. Such an institution would become a threat to the innocent if it would become a predator itself or ally itself with the predators.

Nobody wanted the UN to become a predator or be manipulated to their disadvantage, so it was set up to act by consensus, with five powers having vetoes. Thus it is impossible for the UN to take decisive, effective action to stop genocidal aggression perpetrated by client states of the wielders of vetoes.

And yet we know that in too many parts of the world, this ideal remains an abstraction — a distant dream. We can either accept that outcome as inevitable, and tolerate constant and crippling conflict, or we can recognize that the yearning for peace is universal, and reassert our resolve to end conflicts around the world.

At present, the principal threat to peace comes from Islam. The conflict with Islam is existential; Islam demands a total monopoly on faith and practice on a global scale, declaring that “only Allah has the right to be worshiped”.  The peace Muslims yearn for is the peace pertaining after they have conquered the entire world, when Dar ul-Islam has engulfed Dar ul-Harb.  To Islam, justice means rule by Muslims according to Islamic law derived from the Qur’an.  Rule by Kufars is deemed to be oppression & injustice which they must eliminate by force.

To us, peace means the absence of war and threat of war.  To Islam, it means victory.  There is no possibility of resolving existential conflict without making one side extinct.  Our choices are final  total victory or “constant and crippling conflict”.

That effort must begin with an unshakeable determination that the murder of innocent men, women and children will never be tolerated. On this, no one can be — there can be no dispute.

Define innocent. Islam defines it as Muslim.  If you are not Muslim, you are a rebel against Allah, not innocent. As such, you are subject to the hudud listed in 5:33.

The violent extremists who promote conflict by distorting faith have discredited and isolated themselves.

The emphasized clause above is totally false. There are no violent extremists, only believers; faithful, zealous Muslims who obey Allah and emulate Moe. Allah ordained Jihad for Muslims. Allah established participation in Jihad as the commerce of salvation from Hellfire. Allah purchased the Muslims, with the promise of admission to Paradise, so they fight in his cause, kill and are killed. 8:12 sanctifies terrorism. 8:39 sanctifies Jihad against pagans until  all resistance ceases and only Allah is worshiped. 9:29 sanctifies Jihad against Jews, Christians & Zoroastrians until they are subjugated and extorted.

Moe said that he was “ordered to fight the people”. Moe said that he was “made victorious with terror”. The Qur’an records Allah’s imperatives to genocidal conquest. The hadith  bears record of  Moe’s battles and genocide.  Jihad, genocide and terrorism are standard issue Islamic doctrines, not distortions.

They offer nothing but hatred and destruction. In confronting them, America will forge lasting partnerships to target terrorists, share intelligence, and coordinate law enforcement and protect our people.

Partnerships with Muslims are forgeries, because Muslims are strictly commanded not to have any such relationship.

We will permit no safe haven for al Qaeda to launch attacks from Afghanistan or any other nation.

What will you do about the training camps and staging areas in Iran, Syria, Somalia & Pakistan? Why did Shrub allow them to exist for the last eight years? How will you prevent their re-establishment in Iraq after you pull out?  Will you keep troops in Afghanistan forever to prevent its return to status quo ante?

We will stand by our friends on the front lines, as we and many nations will do in pledging support for the Pakistani people tomorrow. And we will pursue positive engagement that builds bridges among faiths, and new partnerships for opportunity.

When our troops leave Iraq, the locals who collaborated with them will be killed.  You can’t prevent that from happening. It will be the same way in Afghanistan.  Muslims are obligated to convert, enslave or kill us, no bridge is possible; Islam can not be reconciled to Kufar!  Partnership with Kufar is explicitly forbidden.

Our efforts to promote peace, however, cannot be limited to defeating violent extremists. For the most powerful weapon in our arsenal is the hope of human beings — the belief that the future belongs to those who would build and not destroy; the confidence that conflicts can end and a new day can begin.

The most powerful weapon in our arsenal is truth: proof of the fact that Allah is a warlord’s ventriloquist dummy and Moe was a lecherous pedophile, murderer and warlord, not a holy man. We  could liberate Muslims from slavery to Allah by proving to them that Islamic Paradise and Hellfire are Moe’s carrot and stick used to manipulate them so that they engage in warfare for his enrichment through skimming the spoils and collecting Jizya.

Muslims hope to obtain admission to Paradise where they will spend eternity sporting with virgins and drinking from rivers of wine, eating low hanging fruit always in season. Muslims fear being condemned to Hellfire for their sins, particularly for shirking Jihad.  Moe told them that Allah would make disgrace prevail over them if they ever abandon Jihad in favor of productive pursuits.

And that is why we will support — we will strengthen our support for effective peacekeeping,

Can you keep light? Can you keep a breath? Neither can you keep peace. “Peace keepers” are not sent to places where peace prevails, they are sent  where there is no peace, where they observe the slaughter and rape children and goats.  Where has a U.N. peace keeping force ever established or preserved peace?

while energizing our efforts to prevent conflicts before they take hold. We will pursue a lasting peace in Sudan through support for the people of Darfur and the implementation of the Comprehensive Peace Agreement, so that we secure the peace that the Sudanese people deserve. (Applause.) And in countries ravaged by violence — from Haiti to Congo to East Timor — we will work with the U.N. and other partners to support an enduring peace.

Peace can only be obtained in Darfur by killing the predators who prey on the people; by eliminating the Islamic regime that misrules Sudan. That is not going to happen, no matter what you promise us.

I will also continue to seek a just and lasting peace between Israel, Palestine, and the Arab world.

In Hell you will!  You can not continue what you are not doing. You seek a Muslim victory over Israel; policide and genocide, not a just and lasting peace. To you, as to other Muslims, justice means ‘just us’ and ‘peace’ means victory.  A just peace means the Muslims cease attacking and threatening Israel, allowing her to live  in peace within secure borders. Any outcome that  constricts Israel’s borders and leaves Muslims within rocket range is neither peace nor justice! They have no interest in a state along side Israel, their intention is a state instead of Israel.  They have never implemented the terms of any peace agreement and never will, no matter what you promise or give them.  Every promise and concession, every ‘good will gesture’ weakens Israel and strengthens her enemy.

From the Islamic viewpoint, Caliph Umar’s conquest of the Levant made it permanently Islamic. Allah will never allow Kufar to regain control over it. By regaining a tiny fragment of her ancient patrimony, Israel proves Allah to be an impotent idol whose promises are vain. No Muslim can tolerate that. Islam is under a divine mandate to make Jews extinct.  Moe’s prophecy informs them that they can not obtain Paradise until they murder the last Jew.


(Applause.) We will continue to work on that issue. Yesterday, I had a constructive meeting with Prime Minister Netanyahu and President Abbas. We have made some progress. Palestinians have strengthened their efforts on security.

Exactly what has Abbas done to increase Israel’s security? Has he disbanded the Al-Aqsa Brigades or is he still paying their salaries?  Has he arrested and imprisoned terrorists who launch rockets and mortars at Israel or is he paying them?  Does he rebuke them or honor them? Does he punish them or name schools, sporting events, summer camps and streets in their honor?   Like Arafat, he controls the spigot of blood. Nothing lasting is gained if he closes the spigot for a few months, such ‘security’ is an illusion, not a reality.


Israelis have facilitated greater freedom of movement for the Palestinians.

And that suicidal error has cost several Israelis their lives and left others severely injured. When roadblocks and check points are removed, attacks always increase.

As a result of these efforts on both sides, the economy in the West Bank has begun to grow. But more progress is needed. We continue to call on Palestinians to end incitement against Israel, and we continue to emphasize that America does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. (Applause.)

Genuine Americans recognize the legitimacy of Israel’s victory in 1967  and her moral & legal right to annex, settle, live in and retain the land she won back when the Arab League launched another genocidal attack. Muslims and their  hind teat sucking apologists deny it.

The time has come — the time has come to re-launch negotiations without preconditions that address the permanent status issues: security for Israelis and Palestinians, borders, refugees, and Jerusalem. And the goal is clear: Two states living side by side in peace and security — a Jewish state of Israel, with true security for all Israelis; and a viable, independent Palestinian state with contiguous territory that ends the occupation that began in 1967, and realizes the potential of the Palestinian people. (Applause.)

Your insane demand for settlement freeze is a precondition!  Can any truth ever pass your lying lips? Security? Israel will never be secure while there are Muslims within rocket range!

Refugees? Muslims displaced by the invading Arab army to clear the way for a much anticipated genocide. The ‘right of return’ is warfare by other means: demographic conquest, a thin disguise indeed.

Jerusalem, illegally seized by Jordan in 1948. Synagogues were torn down, tomb stones used as paving stones and urinals. Jews were excluded from the Temple Mount. Why should that ever be allowed again?

The goal is clearly stated in the charters of Hamas & PLO: genocide & policide, the elimination of Israel!   Occupation? Israel is occupied by Muslims, not occupying!

As we pursue this goal, we will also pursue peace between Israel and Lebanon, Israel and Syria, and a broader peace between Israel and its many neighbors. In pursuit of that goal, we will develop regional initiatives with multilateral participation, alongside bilateral negotiations.

Which Muslim nation has established trade and diplomatic relations with Israel? Which of them is not enforcing their boycott? Which one makes sincere, unconditional assurance of genuine, lasting normal relations? None ever will, and you  blessed well know it.

Now, I am not naïve. I know this will be difficult.

Naive? No,. arrogant, narcissistic & treacherous, yes!  Difficult? No, impossible!

But all of us — not just the Israelis and the Palestinians, but all of us — must decide whether we are serious about peace, or whether we will only lend it lip service.

That decision was made long ago; and confirmed in  1967 & 1983, Muslims offer lip service, just  like you and your predecessors in office. Sincerity is sorely lacking.

To break the old patterns, to break the cycle of insecurity and despair, all of us must say publicly what we would acknowledge in private. The United States does Israel no favors when we fail to couple an unwavering commitment to its security with an insistence that Israel respect the legitimate claims and rights of the Palestinians.

Genuine Americans are committed to Israel’s existence ans security, you  obviously have no such commitment.  Falestinians have no legitimate claims or rights against Israel. The whole thing is a polemic fabrication woven of the whole cloth.

(Applause.) And — and nations within this body do the Palestinians no favors when they choose vitriolic attacks against Israel over constructive willingness to recognize Israel’s legitimacy and its right to exist in peace and security. (Applause.)

We must remember that the greatest price of this conflict is not paid by us. It’s not paid by politicians. It’s paid by the Israeli girl in Sderot who closes her eyes in fear that a rocket will take her life in the middle of the night. It’s paid for by the Palestinian boy in Gaza who has no clean water and no country to call his own. These are all God’s children. And after all the politics and all the posturing, this is about the right of every human being to live with dignity and security.

Islam recognizes no such right!!! Our blood and property are not sacred to Muslims and it affords us no rights. Security only comes with submission to Islam.  By such palaver you expose yourself as a liar!

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.” Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, “O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?” He replied, “Whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’, faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have.”

That is a lesson embedded in the three great faiths that call one small slice of Earth the Holy Land. And that is why, even though there will be setbacks and false starts and tough days, I will not waver in my pursuit of peace. (Applause.)

If you desire peace, then eliminate Moe’s war cult, which is Islam; it prevents peace!

September 25, 2009 Posted by | Political Correctness, United Nations | , , , , , | Leave a comment

   

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