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Jihad Debate: Is it Imperialism or Self-Improvement?

Davi Barker, writing at Patheos, concentrates on attempting to discredit Pamela Geller
with adhominem attacks while projecting that tactic onto her.

  • “Anti-Muslim

    • “blows
      a wad of cash”

      • “on
        an ad (hominem) campaign against 
      • “critical
        of the boogeyman Muslims she imagines under her bed”

Preferring to debate the issue rather than
personalities and process, I left the following comment, which was not
published.  Since I am writing on my own blog and a few friendly
blogs where I can use html and won’t be censored, I am adding
hyperlinks to my sources so that readers can verify the quotes and
examine their context.

Adhominem attack is against the debater
not her facts: you labeled Geller “bigot”.

You denounce ‘violent extremists’; do you denounce Muhammad bin
who dictated & dispatched extortion letters1 demanding Jizya, then
followed up with his army, slaughtering, dispossessing and enslaving2
those who refused to submit ?  Muhammad said that he was “raised
for jihad and not for tillage”3, “sent with a sword to see that
none but
Allah is worshiped4
and “commanded to fight”5 with men.  He
also said that he was “made victorious with terror”6
but you can not
denounce him as a terrorist.

Who is better qualified to define Jihad: you or two who translated the
Qur’an?  “Al-Jihâd
(holy fighting) in Allâh’s Cause
” [Hilali/Khan
Who is better qualified to define Jihad: you or the
Shafi’i school of Islamic law?

means to war against non-Muslims

and is etymologically derived from the word

mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the

religion.” ” [The Reliance of the Traveller, Book O9.0,  p. 599]8

Who said this: “(This is also a part of the war booty you earned.
Verily, I have no share in it, except my own share, the fifth
designated to me. Even that fifth will be given to you (indicating the
Prophet’s generosity). Therefore, surrender even the needle and the
thread, and whatever is bigger or smaller than that (from the war
spoils). Do not cheat with any of it, for stealing from the war booty
before its distribution is Fire and a shame on its people in this life
and the Hereafter. Perform
Jihad against the people in Allah’s cause,
whether they are near or far
, and do not fear the blame of the
as long as you are in Allah’s cause. Establish Allah’s rules while in
your area and while traveling. Perform Jihad in Allah’s cause, for
is a tremendous door leading to Paradise.
Through it, Allah
(one) from sadness and grief.)” 9 ?

Who said this: “(The greatest of all things is Islam, its pillars are
the prayers and its
pinnacle is Jihad for the sake of
Who knows better what Jihad is, you or the
founder of Islam?

If Jihad means Jihad an Nafs: struggle against ego
& temptation, why are the various books of Jihad in hadith
collections predominantly about raids & conquests?

  2. Surah Al-Ahzab 33:26-27
  3. Ibn Sa’d’s KITAB AL-TABAQAT AL-KABIR Volume 1,
    Parts 1.25.7
  4. The
    Benefits of Iron, Tafsir Ibn Kathir

    2&l=eng&nAya= 190# 2_ 190
  9. Ruling on the Spoils of War (Ghanimah and
    Fai ), Tafsir Ibn Kathir
  10. The State of the People of Faith and
    Their Reward Allah states: Tafsir Ibn Kathir


April 13, 2013 Posted by | Islam, Jihad, Political Correctness | , , , , , , | 1 Comment

Pamela Geller Reams Them a New Orifice

Pamela Geller is fast, frustrated & furious in this 40 minute video
she reams indolent society a badly needed new orifice.  She has
much more than she can say in such a short time, but she gives us a
very good outline, drawing her points together to form a circle which
encompasses the globe full of issues.

Its war, and you are an army of one. Pamela is your
General.  She gives you your orders: learn and teach others.
If you do nothing more, at least watch this video and share it with
everyone who will listen.  Thanks and a tip of the hat to Front
Page Magazine

Reading the Qur’an is not easy because it is
archaic, redundant and jumbled, lacking context & chronology.
The Noble Qur’an, translated by Hilali & Khan, is
reputed to be 95% accurate and contains parenthetical expressions from
tafsirs and the translator’s footnotes.  Several Surahs are
essential to understanding the malignantly militant nature of Islam: 2,
3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 33, 47, 48, 49 & 61.  You can select them
from a pick list at the top of the page.

Hadith are sayings of Muhammad, passed down from
mouth to ear by his companions.  They have been collected by
several scholars, the most widely accepted collection being that of Bukhari. Like the Qur’an, hadith collections
suffer from redundancy.  Begin with Books 52, 53 & 59, then
read the others if you have sufficient patience.

Tafsir are scholarly explanations of the Qur’an.
They use parallel verses and relevant ahadith to clarify the verses. Tafsir Ibn Kathir
is fairly complete and easily accessible. You can select the Surahs
listed above and read them instead of the Qur’an & hadith to save
time and effort.

Islamic biography and history are also important,
but less easily accessible than the Qur’an, hadith and tafsir.
Craig Winn compiled  selections  of the canon into a 1000
page book with the quotes compiled into handy appendices  “The Prophet of

For those lacking the time, patience and ambition to
tackle the large tomes, there is a short book which encapsulates
the  most essential information: Suhas Majumdar’s “Jihad: The Islamic Doctrine of Permanent War“.

Pamela Geller raises the issue of Shari’ah: Islamic
law based on the Qur’an & hadith.  Much of it is arcane,
dealing with matters of prayer & ritual purity.  The really
important parts deal with “justice”, marriage & divorce.  It
will be easier for you go go to Amazon and buy a hard copy of Reliance
of the Traveller.  If you can tolerate a low resolution scan and
large, pdf, this link will get you into Chapter 9 of Book O;
“Justice”.You can scroll up to Books  N & M.

If you delve deeply into Reliance, you will discover
that divorce is affected by the husband’s thrice repeating “I divorce
you”.  You will discover that a father can force his virgin,
pre-pubescent daughter to marry the man of his choice.  You will
learn that a Christian woman married to a Muslim can not obtain child
custody in divorce.

January 25, 2012 Posted by | CAIR, GWOT, Islam, Political Correctness, Politics | , , , , , , | 1 Comment

Examiner Rejects Facts about Islam

The Examiner  published an article by Armir Taraj entitled:  Park51 Opponents Linked to Admirer of Terror Group Founder.   The article presented ad hominem arguments against Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer and appealed to biased authority figures without presenting  relevant, verifiable facts to refute the arguments presented by Geller and Spencer.

Presuming that their comment system would not allow links, I responded with references to Islam’s canon.

Liberals resort to argumentum ad hominem because they have no relevant, verifiable facts with which to defend their emotion based positions  .

The fact is that Islam is intrinsically evil, by design . Its mission is mercenary. Anyone can  confirm that fact by reading the Qur’an & hadith: 8:1, 41, & 67; 33:26,27; 48:20, Sahih Muslim 19.4327, Sahih Bukhari 1.7.331, 4.52.220, 3.37.495 & 4.52.267 You can look up those references or you can search for and read “Islam’s Mercenary Mission”.

The fact is that Islam is martial, it ordains warfare for Muslims, the relationship between Allah and Muslims is master:slave; purchased to fight in his cause, kill and be killed.  Allah commanded Muslims to wage war against pagans until only Allah is worshiped and to wage war against Jews & Christians until they are subjugated & make annual extortion payments. Moe confirmed those imperatives, declaring that he was “ordered to fight”.

You can confirm those facts by reading the Qur’an & hadith: 8:69, 9:29, 9:123 & Sahih Bukhari 1.8.387.

Moe sent out extortion letters and followed up with his army. You can search for Muhammad’s letters and treaties and you can read Sahih Bukhari’s books of Jihad, Khumus & Expedition.  Or you can search for, download and read Jihad.chm.

Moe was a terrorist and bragged about it.  You can verify this fact by reading Sahih Bukhari 4.52.220 & 1.7.331  or you can search for, download and read Islamic Terror.chm.

You can find a substantial subset of the relevant quotes, linked to source, in my blog post: “What’s Wrong With Islam/Muslims?” You could look up the writings of Ibn Khaldun, Ibn Taymiyya, Qutb & Maududi.  You could look up Reliance of the Traveller, Book O, Chapter 9 to verify the fact that the jihad imperatives are  codified in Shari’ah.   You could look up the “science of Naskh” to discover that the relatively tolerant and peaceful early Meccan verses have been abrogated by Surah al-Anfal & at-Taubah.

You could do the research, but you won’t, because you are a Liberal, and liberals know that they are superior, intellectually and morally.  Liberals know that their instincts are obviously correct, they do not require relevant, verifiable factual evidence.

The Examiner’s automated system responded with this message:

My comment did not contain any profanity, so I decided to go all the way with another attempt at commenting.

Fighting facts with personal denigration is unfair. Robert Spencer posts facts at Jihad Watch. I attempted to post references to the source documents, your automated system accused me of trying to post profanity and rejected my comment.

I will attempt to post links to my blog posts and compilations of posts which contain the relevant facts with links which will allow you to verify them and explore the context.
Islamic Terror.chm:

The second attempt produced exactly the same result.  When I attempted to post a message announcing my intent to create this post, I got a message saying that I had failed to enter the correct  characters, but no capcha form was visible. A latter attempt  was successful, but there was no capcha.

It is evident that LibTards are repelled by relevant, verifiable facts.  They do not want their emotion driven assumptions to be refuted with truth.

Here is the money quote (from FAIR):

“By selectively ignoring inconvenient Islamic texts and commentaries, Spencer concludes that Islam is innately extremist and violent.”

Lets get specific, which the LibTards won’t do.  Here is a sample of the “peaceful, tolerant ayat” which supposedly contradict Spencer’s evidence.

  • 2:256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
  • 5:32. Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidences, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allâh by committing the major sins) in the land!.
  • 10:99. And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed, all of them together. So, will you (O Muhammad ) then compel mankind, until they become believers.
    10:100. It is not for any person to believe, except by the Leave of Allâh, and He will put the wrath on those who are heedless.
  • 109:6. “To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islâmic Monotheism).”
  • 16:125. Invite (mankind, O Muhammad ) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islâm) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur’ân) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.

The self-anointed experts who would so blithely dismiss Spencer’s arguments overlook the science of Naskh. When two ayat conflict, the ayeh revealed later abrogates the older ayeh. [2:106, 16:101]  Examine the sequence of revelation.

18 Kafirun 6 Mecca 109
51 Yunus 109 Mecca 10
70 Nahl 128 Mecca 16
87 Baqarah 286 Medina 2
88 Anfal 75 Medina 8
112 Maidah 120 Medina 5
113 Taubah 129 Medina 9

8:39 & 9:29 cancel out the more tolerant, peaceful verses.  Even though 5:32  is canceled out by Surah at-Taubah, lets consider the ayat which Muslims and their apologists never quote.

  • 5:33. The recompense of those who wage war against Allâh and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.

If you “wage war against Allah”, you  “shall be”: killed, crucified, have hand & foot cut off or exiled.  Why do Muslims practice kitman by concealing this verse?  Because of the definition of “wage war against Allah”.  Ibn Kathir provides that definition in his tafsir. [Emphasis added.]

Disbelief in Allah constitutes waging war against him, subjecting one to the hudud listed in 5:33.   And they accuse us of cherry picking!

Examine  Surah at-Taubah 29 carefully, what does it command Muslims to do?

  • 9:29 Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

What does Islamic law say about that?  Lets consult Umdat al-Salik.

    o9.R Thc caliph (025) makes war upon Jews,
    Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has
    first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice,
    and if they will not, then invited them to
    enter the social order of Islam by paying the nonMuslim
    poll tax (jizya, def: 01 L4)-which is the
    significance of their paying it, not the money
    itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions)
    (0: and the war continues) until they
    become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll
    tax (0: in accordance with the word of Allah Most
    “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and
    the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and
    His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice
    the religion of truth, being of those who have
    been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax
    out of hand and are humbled” (Koran 9:29),
    the time and place for which is before the final descent
    of Jesus (upon whom be peace). After his
    final coming, nothing but Islam will be accepted
    from them. for taking the poll tax is only effective
    until Jesus’ descent (upon him and our Prophet be
    peace), which is the divinely revealed law of
    Muhammad, The coming of Jesus does not entail
    a separate divinely revealed law, for he will rule
    by the law of Muhammad, As for the Prophet’s
    saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),
    “I am the last, there will be no prophet
    after me,”
    this does not contradict the final coming of Jesus
    (upon whom be peace), since he will not rule
    according to the Evangel, but as a follower of our
    Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace)).

And the Jurists?  What did  Al-Shafi’i say?

“The least that the imam must do is that he allow no year to pass without having organised a military expedition by himself, or by his raiding parties, according to the Muslims’ interest, so that the jihad will only be stopped in a year for a (reasonable) excuse.”

What did Al-Ghazali say?

…one must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year…

There is more Fiqh!

al-Shaybani, d. 803 / 5, Hanafi. Siyar, transl. Majid Khadduri, The Islamic Law of Nations: Shaybani’s Siyar (Baltimore 1966), p. 76-7, 87, 95-6, 100-1.
Fight in the name of God and in the ”path of God” [i.e. truth]. Combat [only] those who disbelieve in God. Whenever you meet your polytheistic enemies, invite them [first] to adopt Islam. If they do so, accept it, and let them alone. […] If they refuse [to accept Islam], then call upon them to pay the jizya; if they do, accept it and leave them alone. If you besiege the inhabitants of a fortress or a town and they try to get you to let them surrender on the basis of God’s judgment, do not do so, since you do not know what God’s judgment is, but make them surrender to your judgment and then decide their case according to your own views.
Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani, d. 996, maliki. Cit. ur Leon Bercher, La risala ou epitre sur les elements du dogme de la loi d’Islam (Algiers 1945).

Jihad is a precept of Divine institution. We Malikis maintain that it is preferable not to begin hostilities with the enemy before having invited the latter to embrace the religion of Allah except where the enemy attacks first. They have the alternative of either converting to Islam or paying the poll tax, short of which war will be declared against them.
Sheikh Burhanuddin Ali of Marghinan, d. 1196, hanafi. The Hidayah, cit. ur T.P. Hughes, A Dictionary of Islam (London 1895/1994), s. 244-5.

The destruction of the sword is incurred by infidels, although they be not the first aggressors, as appears from various passages in the traditions which are generally received to this effect. […] When the Muslims enter the enemy’s country and besiege the cities or strongholds of the infidels, it is necessary to invite them to embrace the faith, because Ibn Abbas relates of the Prophet that he never destroyed any without previously inviting them to embrace the faith. If, therefore, they embrace the faith, it is unnecessary to war with them, because that which was the design of the war is then obtained without war. […] If the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax, it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them […]
Molla Khosrew, d. 1480, hanafi. Kitab al-Gihad, övers. Nicola Melis, Trattato sulla guerra (Cagliari, Italien 2002), s. 95-6.

[…] jihad is a fard al-kifaya, that is, that one must begin the fight against the enemy, even when he [the enemy] may not have taken the initiative to fight, because the Prophet […] early on […] allowed believers to defend themselves, later, however, he ordered them to take the initiative at certain times of the year, that is, at the end of the haram months, saying, ”Kill the idolaters wherever you find them” (Q9:5). He finally ordered fighting without limitations, at all times and in all places, saying, ”Fight those who do not believe in God, and in the Last Day” (Q9:29); there are also other [similar] verses on the subject. This shows that it is a fard al-kifaya.

“Islam is a great religion of peace”, yeah, right.   LibTards will never accept the evidence, no matter how much we present.  Evidence does not count, only emotion based assumptions count to LibTards.

August 22, 2010 Posted by | Islam, Political Correctness | , , , , | Leave a comment

Islamophobia: the CAIR Sampler

Barenaked Islam posted a CAIR video featuring  audio clips critical of Islam, labeling them Islamophobia.  Barenaked Islam exploits the definition of Islamophobia.

It isn’t Islamophobia when they really ARE trying to kill you.

Phobia means irrational fear.  Since the death of thousands nearly nine years ago,  we know that fear of Islam is rational.

Those who have sampled Islam’s canon of scripture, tradition, biography, exegesis and jurisprudence know that revulsion is a rational reaction to Islamic doctrine & practice.

The video is entitled “Islamophobia A growing problem”.   What is problematic?  A slowly growing segment of our society is becoming aware of Islam, the hatred it inculcates and the violence it sanctifies  and incites.

CAIR does not want us to know that Islam is intrinsically violent; that it has declared and is prosecuting  war and subversion against us.

The unspoken subtext is “Islamophobia” breeds intolerance, contempt and assault”.   Intolerance of the intolerable is a good thing.  Islam can not be tolerated because it is intolerant, supremacist and genocidally aggressive.

Knowing the truth about Islam and Muslims, awareness of the fact that we need to get rid of them does not imply assault, murder or arson.   Those acts are crimes in our society, and  offenders are prosecuted.    Reasonable people are not advocating murdering Muslims or bombing Mosques.  We  advocate outlawing Islam, closing the Mosques and deporting the Muslims for our protection and the preservation of our way of life.

The video begins with a clip from a Dan Fanelli  campaign spot.  The narrator says “Rising Islamophobia in our nation endangers the rights of  American Muslims and creates unjustified fear and hostility towards Islam.”

What rights are endangered?  How are they endangered?  Is there a right not to be recognized as a threat to our system of government and way of life?

Able bodied adult male Muslims who are not indebted nor enslaved are bound by a “religious obligation” classified as fard al-kifaya, to engage in attacks against nearby disbelievers.  That obligation is specified in Reliance of the Traveller, Book O, Chapter 9.1.

The second segment begins with this heading “U.S. Senator James Inhofe advocating profiling of Middle Eastern men when speaking at a Senate hearing. ”

The clip shows the Senator saying “I believe in racial and ethnic profiling.”

CAIR is attacking common sense.  All of the recent Islamic terror attacks were perpetrated by young Muslim males.   Anyone not suspicious of young men from areas of the world where Islam predominates  is several cards short of a full deck.

When it comes to Islamic terrorism, Muslims are the natural prime suspects.  Lets solve this problem by excluding all Muslims from all mass transit.

Congresswoman Sue Myrick is up next  “there are people who literally are willing to blow themselves up like this guy did–to commit jihad because they believe in a bigger cause and that cause is what they want to do to us: they want to destroy western democracies, they want to bring down America, they want us to live by their rules.”

CAIR’s  objection to her honest statement of fact speaks volumes about CAIR and about Islam.

Next we are treated to a sign, outside the Dove World Church, which says “Islam is of the devil.”.  The narrator says “Anti-Islam rhetoric has become more explicit and more extreme since the 9/11 attacks.”

No mention of relevance or veracity, just how explicit and extreme it is.  We are to assume that Islam and Christianity share a common deity since both are monotheistic. If there is only one deity, they must be the same.  But “God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son…”. Contrast that with Allah, who rubbed Adam’s shoulders to produce one group of people for the fire and another for Paradise.  In Surah al-Anfal 67, Allah told Moe that he could not hold captives for ransom until he had “made a great slaughter”. He said Moe wanted booty, but Allah wanted to get Moe into Paradise.  Does the Christian God require genocide?   If  the Dove World Church believes and wants to tell the world that Allah is demonic, that is their right, ain’t it?

Next we have Congressman Peter King saying “Unfortunately, we have too many Mosques in this country, there is too many people sympathetic to radical Islam, we should be looking at them more carefully. ”

I view that as a rare episode of candor, of which we need more, not less.   CAIR views it as “Islamophobia”.

The narrator says “anti-Islam views  expressed by elected officials, can severely impact the ability of American Muslims to engage in the positive civic participation  that is every American’s right.”.  That statement comes over the image of Geert Wilders speaking at an American synagogue.

“Admit that Islam is not a religion, admit that Islam is a totalitarian ideology, in other words, the rights to religious freedom do not apply to the totalitarian ideology called Islam.”

That is a pretty tough admission to make, and, to  the best of my knowledge, no American elected officials have made it.

The fact is that Islam is not a religion; it is a way of life: intra-species predation.  Islam’s religious component serves as a control mechanism to motivate Muslims to go to war and as a camouflage to prevent us from recognizing it as a predator.

The caption for the next segment  is “Right-wing commentator Ann Coulter”.  She says: “I said we are at war with all these fanatics and we should invade their countries, kill their leaders  and convert them to Christianity.”.

Ann just told you why we are losing in Afghanistan & Iraq: they are still Muslim.  That is a fatal fact, too hot for most to suggest, far to hot for politicians to state explicitly.

Next up: “Christian televangelist Pat Robertson”, who cuts loose with this classic remark.  “…then if the religion involves beheading infidels and pouring boiling oil down their throats”….

Islam is not a religion, but it does involve beheading infidels, as we saw in the case of Nick Berg and others.  The boiling oil comes later, after we arrive in the Hell fire.  But the decapitation is commanded in Surah al-anfal 12.

Pastor Rod Parsley is up next. “Islam is an anti-Christ religion that intends through violence to conquer the world.”

Horrible! Pastor Parsley confused deen with religion, which is only part of the deen.  We see Islamic advertisements that claim Jesus Christ as a “Prophet of Islam”.  But those advertisements do not tell us that, according to their scripture, Jesus was not crucified, did not die and was not resurrected.  Nor do they tell us that he will return to lead the Muslims in battle and the final genocide against us.   Lying is as much by what they conceal as what they dissemble.

Franklin Gaham is up next. “True Islam can not be practiced in this country. You can’t beat your wife,  you cannot murder your children if you think they have committed adultery or something like that, which they do practice in some…”

True, Islam does permit wife beating and honoricide. It also permits having as many as four wives at once.  It permits a Muslim to divorce his wife by saying “I divorce you” three times.   All of those things are contrary to American law.

Next up, saving the best for next to last, we have Pamela Geller, among signs endorsing liberty, memorializing the slain  and condemning Codoba House,  telling it as it is.

“This is an insult, it is demeaning, this is humiliating, that you would build a shrine to the very ideology that inspired the attacks of 9/11”.

Geller is followed by a man I do not recognize saying “This house of evil will be the birthplace of the next terrorist event.”

Perhaps, but the plot could, and likely will be hatched somewhere else. But the fact remains, that in every Mosque, Jews and Christians are cursed five times  every day when they recite the first Surah of the Qur’an as part of  their prayers.  Fifteen Muslims died in a Mosque in Afghanistan when the bomb they were building detonated prematurely.

Our narrator returns.  “Whether it is anti-Muslim commentators, extremist religious leaders,  Muslim bashing politicians or fear mongering dvds sent to millions of American homes, Islam and the American Muslim community are being targeted by hate and intolerance.  But with your help, Islamophobia can be challenged and overcome through education and understanding.  ”

The wise gentlemen who founded this nation gave us something most of the world lacks: the right of free inquiry and expression.  we are free to  investigate institutions and issues; free to share what we learn.  Our founders knew that the right to accurate criticism of government policy and candidates for office is an absolute requirement for the preservation of liberty.  If we can not identify threats to our liberty  and accurately describe them, we can not preserve liberty.

Islam presents a clear, proximate & persistent threat to our liberty.  Islam, through the offices of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, seeks to criminalize all criticism of Islam.    Islamic law forbids, under penalty of death, the reviling of Allah, Moe & Islam.  If you are a conquered Christian living in Egypt or Pakistan, any negative statement ab out Islam, true or not, gets you tortured and killed.

Every year, they ram “defamation of religion” resolutions through the UNHRC & General Assembly.   Those resolutions specifically condemn and demand the criminalization of all association of Islam & terrorism.  Casting terror is sanctified by 3:151 and  commanded by 8:12.  It is exemplified by 33:26-27.  Moe bragged about it, as recorded in Sahih Bukhari 4.52.220.   If they get their way, they’ll be able to fine me and throw me in prison for publishing this fatal fact.

In November, the Ad Hoc Committee for the Elaboration of Contemporary Standards will meet again to formulate their proposed protocol to ICERD. The protocol will have the force of law, trumping the First Amendment.  We absolutely must stop those fiends from stifling free speech!  We must rise up as one, disrespectfully demanding the preservation of our hard won rights.  Once lost, recovering those rights will be a difficult, bloody, costly and probably impossible quest.

It is a little know fact that unenforced provisions of ICERD, ICCPR & \CPPCG require that Islam be proscribed by law.   We need to obtain enforcement of those human rights covenants before Islam can  modify them to use against us.   We have one instrument we can use:

International Qur’an Petition

For the love of liberty, sign that petition, copy it, paste it into an email and send it to everyone you can influence. Urge the recipients to sign and forward it. Make it go viral.  Put a link to it on your blog or web site.   If you won’t do that, you don’t value your life and liberty enough to deserve them.

It was not without good reason that Moe warned his companions not to carry the Qur’an into Dar ul-harb .

Malik’s Muwatta Book 21, Number 21.2.7:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi that Abdullah ibn Umar said that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, forbade travelling with a Qur’an in the land of the enemy. Malik commented, “That is out of fear that the enemy will get hold of it.”

They need to make it illegal to criticize Islam.  We need to stop them.
What’s Wrong With Islam/Muslims.chm contains what you need to know about Islam, the documentation of the facts revealed above.

July 10, 2010 Posted by | Political Correctness | , , , , , | 7 Comments

Pamela Geller vs Lying Muslim

Bare Naked Islam embedded  this video   in an article about the Stop The Mosque Rally in NYC, this video  illustrates  media bias in favor of Islam. The interviewer frequently interrupted Pam Geller rather than allow her to complete her statements.  Due to the soft and rapid speech of the interviewer I was not able to get the name of the lying Muslim. This is from the Faces of Faith feature on CNN.

The interview with Pamela Geller begins approximately two minutes into this 12: 52 video.  This is one of those videos that must be seen to be appreciated fully.  Watch the interviewer’s facial expressions.  It is obvious from her expression and tone of voice that she is adversarial toward Geller. She interrupts before Geller can complete her answers.  I believe that the interviewer succeeded in rattling Geller, pushing her off balance so that she was not able to make her usual articulate presentation.  I will emphasize the questions with bold face, block quoting the answers and leaving my comments full width.  Due to rapid speech, cross talk and poor typing skills, this transcript may contain  errors, it will not be word for word perfect.

Bold underlined text is linked to my sources. Links will open in a new tab or window.

We understand that there is a protest today that you are leading, what exactly does your group hope to accomplish today and why are you against the building of Cordoba House, this Muslim and cultural community center?

Well, Ground Zero is a war memorial, its a burial ground, and this Mosque is offensive; its humiliating, its demeaning  to the three thousand innocent victims who lost their lives.  Without Islam this attack would never have happened.   And we are rallying at Ground Zero, at the corner of Liberty and  and Church to show the public outcry and we are asking that they be sensitive and tolerant and responsive to this overwhelming ah dissent to this Mosque.  the latest polls show that America is against this Mosque. to build a shrine to the ideology which inspired this jihadist attack   is insulting, it is…

At this point the interviewer made her first interruption to insert a canned response from the Imam of Cordoba Housed.   The Cordoba House project is a symbol of Islamic supremacy.  Muslims built a Mosque on Jerusalem’s Temple Mount, and deny that the Temples ever existed there, claiming the site for themselves exclusively.   Their attitude is supremacism, it is arrogant AssWholliness, totally unacceptable to civilized people. Recent riots were caused by similar conflicting claims over holy sites. You might remember hearing about Ayodhya. The Wikipedia entry will refresh your memory.

One remark is particularly telling:  “Without Islam this attack would never have happened.”  The accursed abomination is a function of orthodox Islamic doctrine.  It flows directly from Surah Al-Anfal 39 & Surah At-Taubah 29; from Sahih Bukhari 1.8.387 and from Reliance of the Traveller Book O, Chapter 9, which codifies them.  []

Another clause needs to be brought forward: “we are asking that they be sensitive and tolerant and responsive”. Geller is sticking it in the left winger’s eye.  Islam is intolerant and unresponsive.  In the Muslim world view, we must tolerate  Islam, Muslims are privileged  to kill us.

I want to read a response here from the Imam of the Mosque and cultural center because they put this  out here and they want people like you and others who are criticizing them to understand what is going to take place in this facility. And they say that the Cordoba House seeks to create a community center where all people, Muslims, Jews, Christians and those of every faith can gather in a spirit of honor, respect and peaceful coexistence. And  they go on to say that We cannot think of a better expression to promote the peaceful values of our faith than  the Cordoba House, where American Muslims stand together with fellow citizens to condemn extremism and terror.  It is a project to honor those people who were harmed on September 11th. Why do you object when they say you know, that’s not correct what you are saying, this center is not about promoting some sort of hateful ideology, its quite the opposite?

First of all, that statement is deception because it is a Mosque, and only Muslims can pray …

What’s wrong with that?

It is a Mosque, and only Muslims can pray in a Mosque. The only time non-Muslims are allowed in a Mosque is if perhaps they would be able to convert.  There is no plurality, there is no  tolerance here…

Well thats not true because the Imam says that they would actually welcome people of various faiths to go and check this out and you  can, as a non-Muslim, I’m a non-Muslim, I’ve been to a Mosque before – if you are invited  as a guest to go as long as you are respectful…

Right–you’re invited to go for proselytizing    but it is not-there is no plurality in a Mosque  .  My question is: why there? How can it possibly  be seen as outreach to build a Mosque at the war memorial that is Ground Zero, how  ?  How could that be perceived,  that is a kick in the head, I don’t understand how it can be turned into this idea of outreach when it is the opposite .
It is a triumph it is triumphal, we know that the Islamic pattern is to build gigantic Mosques on the cherished sites of conquered lands.  We know that this is Islamic history…

Geller is trying to reinforce the concept of Mosques supplanting temples after becoming rattled and selecting the wrong word to inform us that Muslims invite us to Mosques in order to pull the wool over our eyes and, if possible, begin the process of converting us.  Once again, the interviewer jumps in to prevent the completion of the thought.

Miss Geller, I’d  like to ask you  I’d like to ask you  there are obviously Muslims  scholars and Muslims who  disagree with you but also President Bush who made this point time and time again when he reached out andsaid “look we’ve gotta go after those who attacked Americans on 9/11 –Al-Qaeda ”  certainly not moderate Muslims and not the faith of Islam, that there is a distinction, there is a difference and if people don’t understand it  its out of ignorance or misunderstanding.  How do you  counter that point if even President Bush said that what you’re saying is not true?

Shrub said that “Islam is a great religion of peace”. What makes him an expert? Who died and made him god?  In fact, like Clinton & Obama, he is a damn liar.  Peace, to Islam, is the condition of the world after  they have finished conquering it.  Only those who read Islam’s canon know that peace and justice are fruits of conquest.  Fitna prevails until Islam rules the world.  Muslims attack kuffar because Moe told them that Allah commanded them to, promising eternal bliss in the celestial carnal house and threatening eternal torment in the fire of Hell  as his carrot and stick incentives.  Geller can’t answer this way, if she did it would be her last interview, but look what she said.

I counter that point by saying: read the Qur’an, read the hadith, read the sira, there are some fifteen thousand…

Well, they have countered that as well and say that Islam …its a perversion of Islam … its a faith of peace?

Those who say that are Gd’d liars!  There is no truth in there false assertions of passivity & perversion.  They can not explain why the “religion of peace”  has, in its scripture,  sanctification of conquest, genocide & terrorism nor why it has rules for distributing spoils of war.  They’d black ball Geller if she responded as I do.

Yes, I understand but the prime Minister of Turkey said “there is no extreme Islam, there is no moderate Islam, Islam is Islam. there have been fifteen thousand Islamic attacks since 9/11 and it is inspired by the threat doctrine. We have to deal with it.  Clearly a better idea would be to build a center dedicated to expunging the Qur’an of  the violent texts that inspire Jihad. Every jihadist attack has the imprimatur of a Muslim cleric, I mean, this is a fact.  We can’t re-write reality, we have to see what is, have to deal with whats in front of  us   or how are you going to change things ?   …

This is what happens when they get you po’d, anger interferes with clear, concise expression.  Threat doctrine is a military term, it really does not belong in this context.  Islamic aggression is primarily inspired by the Qur’an’s Surah Al-Anfal & Surah At-Taubah.  The hadith which confirm and exemplify them are codified and explained in Riyad us-Saliheen Book 11, Chapter 234. Wasn’t there something Geller said you should read?

Miss Geller, how do you counter the reality that there are thousands of Mosques across the United States and they are not points or symbols of jihad or hate?

We know from research done by SANE that four out of five Mosques preach hate and preach incitement to violence, we know this–as I said, its part of the Qur’anic text.  And I think it is deeply offensive to build a Mosque on the sacred grounds of 9/11.  There is a piece of the plane in that building and I think what we need to do- we are going to file a suit with the federal government to designate that building as a war memorial as a historic landmark, like Gettysburg, like Pearl Harbor .    There is a piece of that plane in that building and to pray next to that is repugnant to any decent American, any Muslim of conscience, let me tell you something, I  received emails from Muslims who don’t believe a Mosque should be there.

It ain’t the act of prayer, Pamela, its what they are praying to: the demon whose imperatives inspired the accursed abomination.

We’re going to talk to a Muslim who has another point of view, but before you go, have you read the Qur’an  ?

Yes I have and I strongly recommend Robert Spencer’s The Infidel’s guide to the Qur’an and Ibn Warraq and Wafa Sultan and Noni Darwish, these are books from former Muslims that must be read by the American people to understand what it is they are facing.  They just arrested two more jihadis they were US citizens, they were arrested at JFK Airport.  You have to understand the threat doctrine if you are going to address the threat.

Is there a portion-are there passages in the Qur’an that promotes what we saw al-Qaeda do on 9/11?

There  are, but that Muslim won’t admit it.  I provided links to the most important such verses within my comments on the interview with Pamela Geller above.

Well first let me thank you for having me  on and letting me provide what I call a Muslim perspective. Number one- a few points I want to make real quick.  Unfortunately, there is a lot of erroneous translations that are out there.  What we have to do is ask ourselves what do they hope to accomplish with this protest today against the Mosque?  Asking the government to stop it–well that would be wholly unconstitutional its one of the first things I learned in law school, because it would be a violation of equal protection number one and number two, of the establishment clause of the First Amendment, something I learned in kindergarten as well.  In America we have  freedom of religion.  Point number two, this is a fringe group.  A lot of family members of 9/11 as well as public officials and regular Americans who understand American ideals support this initiative because they  understand two crucial points: fringe groups like Pamela’s- what they’re doing number one- spreading the erroneous misinterpretation  that the terrorists like al-Qaeda want to spread about Islam and number two: they’re simultaneously feeding the propaganda that al-Qaeda uses to recruit which is that America is anti-Muslim.  now Miss Geller and her group may be anti-Muslim, but the rest of America for the most part, is not.  As far as where it says displays a table of ten parallel translations  for easy comparison. The words vary, with the exception of one polemical translation, the meanings do not. will display eighteen English translations if you click the ayeh number.  It also displays a word by word breakdown, with links to an Arabic/Engish dictionary.

Besides al-taqiyya and kitman, as a lawyer, he should know that  government interference would be blocked by the free exercise clause, not the establishment clause.  He should also know that Islam is a standing violation of the establishment clause because it demands  that temporal and spiritual power be in the same hands.  Islam does not recognize separation of church and state.   Islam is a lie. Muslims are liars. This is a wake up call.

What part is Miss Geller not understanding here because she clearly has a point of view here that she feels threatened and she feels that this is going to be dangerous to have this Mosque in that area. What do you want to say to her ?

Well, lets examine why she’s threatened.  Number one, she’s talking about what the Qur’an teaches. There’s 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, now  there is admittedly probably tens of thousands of al-Qaeda members or members of other terrorist organizations; they have nothing to do with the teachings of Islam. She keeps equating al-Qaeda and their attack against this country to what Islam teaches.  I’ll take her to my family in Egypt, they’ll fill her with food and take her shopping and they’ll show her that the vast majority of Muslims around the word and not just in this country follow the teachings of the Qur’an, which state for example, in Chapter 5, verse 32: killing one innocent person is like killing all people  saving one innocent life is like saving all people. or another verse that says let there be no compulsion in religion . Another verse that says let there be no tyranny,  this is what Islam really teaches when you look at the accurate majority translations that are out there. There are thousands of Mosques already in this country. These are the teachings of Jesus and Abraham and Muhammad  That they teach in Sunday schools, its what I learned in Sunday school growing up. So this Mosque that they’re going to be building two blocks away from the World Trade Center- lets remember that number one, a lot of Muslims  died at the   World Trade Center Number two, this is going to be interfaith and open to a lot of non-Muslims to use the pool, use the exhibit facilities, to engage in dialog, just like a YMCA would, and yes, Muslims are going to go pray there because there are over a thousand Muslims who work down town who need a place to pray.

The Qur’an does not teach Jihad, it commands it!  Get that straight for once.  By the way, argumentum ad numerum and argumentum ad populum are logical fallacies, a lawyer should know that and avoid using them.

“Nothing to do with the teachings of Islam”?  How about Allah’s imperatives: “fight them until…only Allah is worshiped”, “fight those who”, “kill them wherever you find them”, “I will cast terror”, “Allah cast terror” Nothing at all to do with terrorism, nothing at all.  Yeah, right. Snake feces!

He quotes 5:32, but not 5:33, why is that?  Only because the latter verse details the punishment prescribed for those who “wage war against Allah”. Ibn Kathir defines  “wage war” as including disbelief.  Got a clue yet? If you don’t believe in Allah they can crucify you.  Islam is a lie. Muslims are liars. Kitman is lying by obfuscation.   These apologists for Islam are quick, slick & glib and they leave behind a lump of snake excrement.  When you believe what they say, you eat that excrement.

2:256 says there is no compulsion in religion.  8:39 says “Fight them until…only Allah is worshiped.”. Such conflicts are solved by naskh. Later revelations abrogate earlier revelations. The eighth surah was revealed later,  8:39 abrogates 2:256.  There is something else the slick lawyer concealed from you. 3:110 says that Muslims are ” the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind”.   That ayeh is explained by Sahih Buhari 6.60.80 The Verse:–“You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind.” means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.

So there is no tyranny in Islam? That word is not found in the Hilali & Khan translation, but this is, in 33:36: It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allâh and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision.

“A lot of Muslims  died at the   World Trade Center”, 23 out of more than 2700; How is that relevant to the fact that the accursed abomination was inspired by the Qur’an & hadith?

Let me ask you this, she makes the point, she says that this’ll be a very important symbol to those who would want to do harm because its close to ground zero do you think that she has any kind of  is this point valid at all?

Not at all. The more she talks the more its clear that she does not know what she’s talking about. This Mosque is a symbol of the 1.5 billion  who respect peace I mean, remember that people go around in the Muslim world saying “peace be unto you”  as hello and goodbye. Let alone the Millions of Muslim Americans who including myself, including my brother in law who is an officer in the Air Force stationed in Iraq right now, teachers, doctors, these are peace loving American people, their relatives overseas are peace loving Muslims, This Mosque will provide a place to pray just like several other Mosques in New York City does, for her to say that its offensive is what’s offensive to us because there is nothing offensive about our religion, Mosques are no different from synagogues and churches and nowhere in this country would someone go out there and fight against the creation of a church in downtown Manhattan so I mean its really just offensive and there’s a lot of ignorance out there and the days when she can go out there and make these untrue statements about the religion are over. We now have native born, English speaking American citizens just like my self with law degrees who can finally go out there on shows like yours that are nice enough to give us an opportunity to respond and say that she’s on the wrong side of history where …..

I know what Geller was talking about because I have read the Qur’an & hadith and a significant sample of  Islamic exegeses  & jurisprudence. Geller knows what she was talking about, so does that lying Muslim.

If Muslims respect peace, it is as the outcome of Islamic conquest. Islam divides the world into two camps: Dar ul-Islam and Dar ul-harb.  Dar ul-harb is the house of war, it is wherever Islam is not yet in control. If you harbor any doubt about this, read 13:41.

The Mosque is a symbol of Islamic supremacy.  Where Allah’s writ runs, dhimmis are not allowed to build higher than Muslim structures and they are not permitted to build new churches. .

“Peace be upon you”, ain’t that sweet. Moe said something about greeting Jews & Christians, it is in Sahih Muslim 26.5389: “Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it”.

“Because there is nothing offensive about our religion”?  Islamic law says that:

The caliph (o25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,

“Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled” (Koran 9.29),
But there is nothing offensive about Islam, no, nothing at all.  Islam is a lie. Muslims are liars. Wake up, wise up and rise up!

June 7, 2010 Posted by | Ground Zero, Political Correctness | , , , , , | 1 Comment


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