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Jihad Debate: Is it Imperialism or Self-Improvement?

Davi Barker, writing at Patheos, concentrates on attempting to discredit Pamela Geller
with adhominem attacks while projecting that tactic onto her.

  • “Anti-Muslim

    • “blows
      a wad of cash”

      • “on
        an ad (hominem) campaign against 
      • “critical
        of the boogeyman Muslims she imagines under her bed”

Preferring to debate the issue rather than
personalities and process, I left the following comment, which was not
published.  Since I am writing on my own blog and a few friendly
blogs where I can use html and won’t be censored, I am adding
hyperlinks to my sources so that readers can verify the quotes and
examine their context.

Adhominem attack is against the debater
not her facts: you labeled Geller “bigot”.

You denounce ‘violent extremists’; do you denounce Muhammad bin
who dictated & dispatched extortion letters1 demanding Jizya, then
followed up with his army, slaughtering, dispossessing and enslaving2
those who refused to submit ?  Muhammad said that he was “raised
for jihad and not for tillage”3, “sent with a sword to see that
none but
Allah is worshiped4
and “commanded to fight”5 with men.  He
also said that he was “made victorious with terror”6
but you can not
denounce him as a terrorist.

Who is better qualified to define Jihad: you or two who translated the
Qur’an?  “Al-Jihâd
(holy fighting) in Allâh’s Cause
” [Hilali/Khan
Who is better qualified to define Jihad: you or the
Shafi’i school of Islamic law?

means to war against non-Muslims

and is etymologically derived from the word

mujahada, signifying warfare to establish the

religion.” ” [The Reliance of the Traveller, Book O9.0,  p. 599]8

Who said this: “(This is also a part of the war booty you earned.
Verily, I have no share in it, except my own share, the fifth
designated to me. Even that fifth will be given to you (indicating the
Prophet’s generosity). Therefore, surrender even the needle and the
thread, and whatever is bigger or smaller than that (from the war
spoils). Do not cheat with any of it, for stealing from the war booty
before its distribution is Fire and a shame on its people in this life
and the Hereafter. Perform
Jihad against the people in Allah’s cause,
whether they are near or far
, and do not fear the blame of the
as long as you are in Allah’s cause. Establish Allah’s rules while in
your area and while traveling. Perform Jihad in Allah’s cause, for
is a tremendous door leading to Paradise.
Through it, Allah
(one) from sadness and grief.)” 9 ?

Who said this: “(The greatest of all things is Islam, its pillars are
the prayers and its
pinnacle is Jihad for the sake of
Who knows better what Jihad is, you or the
founder of Islam?

If Jihad means Jihad an Nafs: struggle against ego
& temptation, why are the various books of Jihad in hadith
collections predominantly about raids & conquests?

  2. Surah Al-Ahzab 33:26-27
  3. Ibn Sa’d’s KITAB AL-TABAQAT AL-KABIR Volume 1,
    Parts 1.25.7
  4. The
    Benefits of Iron, Tafsir Ibn Kathir

    2&l=eng&nAya= 190# 2_ 190
  9. Ruling on the Spoils of War (Ghanimah and
    Fai ), Tafsir Ibn Kathir
  10. The State of the People of Faith and
    Their Reward Allah states: Tafsir Ibn Kathir


April 13, 2013 Posted by | Islam, Jihad, Political Correctness | , , , , , , | 1 Comment

U.N. Resolving to Silence Islamophobes

Update Dec 20, 2009:

The first article linked above discusses the substance of the final draft, the second discusses the trend toward reduced support for the concept of defamation of religions. Nothing in the updates detracts from the information presented below.

Res62/154 Combating defamation of religions will come up for a vote in the current General Assembly session.
According to the Jewish Daily Forward, our State Department opposes it: U.S. Mounting Effort To Counter Limits on Speech Critical of Islam. If you want the legalese arguments, read the ECLJ legal analysis here..

Generally, I would bypass the flowery fluff and get right to the nitty gritty, but this target rich excrement can’t be ignored.[Emphasis added.]

Reaffirming the need for all States to continue their national and international efforts to enhance dialogue and broaden understanding among civilizations, cultures, religions and beliefs, and emphasizing that States, regional organizations, non-governmental organizations, religious bodies and the media have an important role to play in promoting tolerance, respect for and freedom of religion and belief,

How in Hell can anyone tolerate, respect or promote tolerance of or respect for or freedom to believe these execrable tenets:

  • divine mandate to conquer & subjugate the entire world
    • …to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) hate (it). [9:33]
    • fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone… [8:39]
    • Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. [9:29]
    • “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.” [Sahih Bukhari1.8.387]
      • That is not empty doctrine, it is Islamic law: Reliance of the Traveller, Book O [Justice]:
        • O9.1: The Obligatory Character of Jihad…”Jihad is a communal obligation,” meaning upon the Muslims each year.
        • O-9.8: The Objectives of Jihad The caliph (o-25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians
        • O-9.9 The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim…
  • the sacrament of genocide
    • It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land….[8:67]
    • So, when you meet (in fight Jihâd in Allâh’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives).[47:4]
  • the sacrament of casting terror
    • We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve… [3:151]
    • I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.” [8:12]
    • Allâh brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives. [33:26]
    • Allah made me victorious by awe, (by His frightening my enemies) for a distance of one month’s journey [Sahih Bukhari1.7.331]

Deeply alarmed at the rising trends towards discrimination based on religion and faith, including in some national policies and laws that stigmatize groups of people belonging to certain religions and faiths under a variety of pretexts relating to security and illegal immigration,

  • Accusations of this nature require specificity & proof. Where are the specifications? Where is the proof?

Alarmed at the serious instances of intolerance, discrimination and acts of violence based on religion or belief, intimidation and coercion motivated by extremism, religious or otherwise, occurring in many parts of the world, in addition to the negative projection of Islam in the media and the introduction and enforcement of laws that specifically discriminate against and target Muslims,
particularly Muslim minorities following the events of 11 September 2001, and threatening the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

  • Where are these acts of violence taking place?
    • Who is perpetrating them?
    • Who are the victims?
  • What laws? What nation passed and is enforcing them?

Expresses its deep concern about the negative stereotyping of religions and manifestations of intolerance and discrimination in matters of religion or belief still in evidence in the world;

  • Are you officious, obsequious anal orifices concerned with the negative stereotyping , intolerance & discrimination enshrined in the Qur’an & Islamic law?
    • 8:55. Verily, The worst of moving (living) creatures before Allâh are those who disbelieve , – so they shall not believe.
    • 98:6. Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islâm, the Qur’ân and Prophet Muhammad ()) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikûn will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
    • 2:91. And when it is said to them (the Jews), “Believe in what Allâh has sent down,” they say, “We believe in what was sent down to us.” And they disbelieve in that which came after it, while it is the truth confirming what is with them. Say (O Muhammad Peace be upon him to them): “Why then have you killed the Prophets of Allâh aforetime, if you indeed have been believers?
    • 3:112. Indignity is put over them wherever they may be, except when under a covenant (of protection) from Allâh, and from men; they have drawn on themselves the Wrath of Allâh, and destruction is put over them. This is because they disbelieved in the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allâh and killed the Prophets without right. This is because they disobeyed (Allâh) and used to transgress beyond bounds (in Allâh’s disobedience, crimes and sins).
    • 3:85. And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers.
    • 9:30. And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allâh, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allâh. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allâh’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!
    • O11.5

      Such non-Muslim subjects are obliged to comply with Islamic rules that pertain to the safety and indemnity of life, reputation, and property. In addition, they:

      -1- are penalized for committing adultery or theft, thought not for drunkenness;

      -2- are distinguished from Muslims in dress, wearing a wide cloth belt (zunnar);

      -3- are not greeted with “as-Salamu ‘alaykum”;

      -4- must keep to the side of the street;

      -5- may not build higher than or as high as the Muslims’ buildings, though if they acquire a tall house, it is not razed;

      -6- are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, (A: to ring church bells or display crosses,) recite the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals and feastdays;

      -7- and are forbidden to build new churches.

Also expresses its deep concern that Islam is frequently and wrongly
associated with human rights violations and terrorism

  • Is there any deception more egregious than this? No intelligent & sane person who has read the Qur’an & hadith can be fooled by such lies. Terrorism is sanctified by 3:151, mandated by 8:12 and exemplified by 33:26, all cited above. Muhammad bragged about being made victorious with terror.
    • How in Hell can anyone read the Qur’an’s imperatives to genocidal conquest and claim that Islam is not associated with rights violations?
    • How in Hell can anyone read the Qur’an’s imperative to cast terror and claim that Islam is not associated with terrorism?
    • How in Hell can anyone read Moe’s bragging about being made victorious with terror and claim that Islam is not associated with terrorism?
    • How in Hell can anyone have knowledge of Reliance of the Traveller Book O, Chapter 11, Paragraph 5 and claim that Islam does not violate human rights?

Recognizes that, in the context of the fight against terrorism and the
reaction to counter-terrorism measures, defamation of religions and incitement to religious hatred becomes an aggravating factor that contributes to the denial of fundamental rights and freedoms of members of target groups, as well as their economic and social exclusion;

  • It is not possible to defame Islam!
    • Sahih Bukhari 4.52.195
      Narrated Anas:
      The Prophet set out for Khaibar and reached it at night. He used not to attack if he reached the people at night, till the day broke. So, when the day dawned, the Jews came out with their bags and spades. When they saw the Prophet; they said, Muhammad and his army!The Prophet said, Allahu–Akbar! (Allah is Greater) and Khaibar is ruined, for whenever we approach a nation (i.e. enemy to fight) then it will be a miserable morning for those who have been warned.”
    • 59:13. Verily, you (believers in the Oneness of Allah – Islamic Monotheism) are more awful as a fear in their (Jews of Bani An-Nadir) breasts than Allah. That is because they are a people who comprehend not (the Majesty and Power of Allah).

Deplores the use of the print, audio-visual and electronic media,
including the Internet, and any other means to incite acts of violence, xenophobia or related intolerance and discrimination against Islam or any other religion, as well as targeting of religious symbols;

  • How can a reasonable man, a lover of truth and liberty, refrain from screaming curses when reading such turd?
    • fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone… [8:39]
    • Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. [9:29]
  • The egregious hypocrisy of this resolution is beyond sufferance. As-Samu-Alaikum!

Emphasizes that everyone has the right to hold opinions without
interference and the right to freedom of expression, and that the exercise of these
rights carries with it special duties and responsibilities and may therefore be subject
to limitations as are provided for by law and are necessary for respect of the rights
or reputations of others, protection of national security or of public order, public
health or morals and respect for religions and beliefs

  • Respect for human rights requires the elimination of Islam from the earth because it is a system of predation.
  • Respect for national security & public order requires the elimination of Islam from America because Islam sanctifies and mandates terrorism and annual attacks against Kuffar.
  • Respect for Judiasm & Christianity requires the elimination of Islam from the earth because Islam is supremely intolerant and declares perpetual war against Jews and Christians.

Urges States to take action to prohibit the advocacy of national, racial or
religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence;

  • Who will be the first to outlaw the Qur’an, Hadith & Sharia? Please sign the petition and send its url to your Congressman & Senators.

Calls upon the international community to foster a global dialogue to
promote a culture of tolerance and peace based on respect for human rights and
diversity of religion and belief, and urges States, non-governmental organizations,
religious bodies and the print and electronic media to support and participate in such
a dialogue

  • While only Allah has the right to be worshiped, what the Hell is there to dialogue about with Islam?
    • 3:2. Allâh! Lâ ilahâ illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists.

Affirms that the Human Rights Council shall promote universal respect
for all religious and cultural values and address instances of intolerance, discrimination and incitement of hatred against members of any community or adherents of any religion;

  • Address this, hypocrites!!!
    • Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
      Narrated Abu Huraira:

      Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

Because of the outrageous hypocrisy of Islam, the OIC, the UNHRC and the United Nations General Assembly, I urge and exhort all lovers of life & liberty to curse and condemn the above listed institutions and disrespectfully demand their abolition.

October 12, 2008 Posted by | Islam, Jihad, Politics, Religion, Religion of Peace, United Nations | , , , , , , | 7 Comments


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