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Response to Keith: An Apologist For Islam


http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2011/12/30/bare-naked-islam-is-back-sort-of/

Bare Naked Islam is one of the great ani-Islamic blogs. I frequently
find interesting information there. Unfortunately, WordPress is forcing
it to close down as of January 6.  Someone going by the screen
name: “Keith” commented Sunday, using argumentum ad homimem.  I
did not respond directly to his comment, instead responding to another
commenter.  Keith’s comment and mine are reproduced below.

Keith

Not
to put to much effort into giving you nuts a dose of reality but…THIS
is NOT a First Amendment Issue…BNI does not HAVE a first amendment
right in this issue because WordPress is privately owned. First
amendment rights ONLY apply to Public forums and public areas. You can
say what you want on a public sidewalk, more or less, but you cannot
say it on MY yard. I have the right to get rid of you. WORDPRESS is not
public property.

NOW as for TOS one only need read some of the
comments to see that they would violate ANY website TOS with the
language, the veiled threats and in some cases the calls for violence.

IF
BNI goes elsewhere and does not better regulate the comment section it
will be closed down again…that’s just reality…so if you people want
this pile of islamophobic dog crap website to remain, stop being morons.

dajjal

Mama
Grizley, unfortunately Keith is right about the First Amendment issue,
it applies to the Federal Gov’t., not to private entities. There might
be a weak case for tortuous interference against CAIR, but their deep
pockets could drag anyone through the courts for years, with little
chance of prevailing.

Of
course, Keith is totally wrong in his opinion of this blog, its
commentators & content. Evidently he either did not read or could
not comprehend the cut line on the banner. Given Noble Qur’an 8:39,
9:5, 9:29 & 9:123, there is no such thing as Islamophobia. Loathing
of Islam is well warranted by the fatal facts: 270 million innocent
victims in 1400 years.

Examine the arguments Keith used:

Ad Hominem:

you nuts

Keith labels the blog owner and commentators insane,
without any basis in fact.

dose of reality

The numerous embedded videos at Bare Naked Islam
reflect a grim reality: the true nature of Islam and practices of its
adherents. Keith dismisses them  with baseless derision.

islamophobic

Phobia implies irrational
fear or loathing. There is nothing irrational about fear and loathing
of Islam.  We need look no further than Islamic scripture to find
the proof of this fact.

3:151.
We shall cast
terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve
,
because they joined others in worship with Allâh, for which He had sent
no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of
the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers).

8:12.
(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, “Verily, I am with you,
so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into
the hearts of those who have disbelieved
, so strike them over the
necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes
.”

8:57.
So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in
order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a
lesson.

  • so as to strike terror
  • strike terror in those

8:60.
And make ready
against them all you can of power
, including steeds of war
(tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of
Allâh

and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom
Allâh does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allâh
shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly.

  • to strike terror
  • you terrorize/terrify with it God’s enemy
  • Cause terror with this
  • you terrorize/terrify with it
  • to terrify
  • by which you may terrify
  • to put fear in
  • that you may instil fear
  • to cause fear
  • to put fear
  • that you may instil fear

33:26.
And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the
disbelievers) Allâh brought them down from their forts and cast terror into
their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of
them) you made captives
.

59:13.
Verily, you
(believers in the Oneness of Allâh – Islâmic Monotheism) are more awful
as a fear in their (Jews of Banî An-Nadîr) breasts than Allâh.

That is because they are a people who comprehend not (the Majesty and
Power of Allâh).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the
shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with
terror
(cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the
treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.

Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you,
people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not
benefit by them).

Allah sanctified terror, declared that he would cast
terror and cast terror resulting in death, captivity &
dispossession. Allah told Moe that the Jews were more afraid of him
than of  Allah.   Moe bragged that terror made him
victorious.  The best estimate of Islam’s victims is 270,000,000.
The accusation of irrationality is malignant malarkey at its
worst.

pile of dog crap

With more than 3000 pages,  3000 unique
visitors per day and 110,000 page views per month, there must be a very
large number of people interested in ‘dog crap’.  What drew Keith
to read and comment on ‘dog crap’?

morons

Morons can’t stop being morons. Those born with
substandard intellectual capacity can’t increase it.

Facts

In sum, Keith has two valid factual arguments about
the First Amendment and blog terms of service.  The rest is
baseless insult.   Unfortunately for Keith, the facts are
arrayed on our side, not his.

Keith subsequently returned to spew more venom. Take
a close look:

Keith

Jugger,
the problem is BNI does NOT post fact. BNI posts opinions that are
ALWAYS geared against Islam…so not honest at all…it wouldbe good if the
same was done against Judaism and Christianity and the other
religions…but ONLY Islam gets this dishonest treatement…the question is
why?

 

posts

BNI posts news stories, mostly containing video
evidence of the reality of Islam.  BNI and readers comment on
those news stories. Nobody compels anyone to read those posts or
comments.  Anyone who does not like them can close the tab or
window and seek more satisfying web sites.

always against Islam

There are no facts in favor of Islam.  Islam’s
own canon of scripture, tradition, exegesis & jurisprudence defines
Islam as a barbarian war cult, a continuing criminal enterprise
disguised as a religion.  BNI exposes the grim reality of Islam,
it makes no pretense of balance, it takes a side.

Tu quoque

Judaism & Christianity do not have scriptural
imperatives to genocidal global conquest.  The Judaic conquest
imperative was limited to Canaan,  once that conquest was
finished,  Israel’s battles were defensive, not offensive.
No matter how long or intensely you search the Gospels and Book of
Acts, you will not find, in the New Testament, Jesus issuing functional
equivalents of  NQ 2:256, 3:151, 8:12, 8:57, 8:60, 8:67,
9:5,  9:29,  9:111, 9:120 & 9:123.  You will not
find Jesus  making a declaration equivalent to Sahih Bukhari
1.8.367.  Note to high functioning Morons: parables &
metaphors do not cut the mustard:

Luke 19:9-27 does not cut the mustard because it is
a parable, not an imperative.  Matt 10:34 does not cut the
mustard, it is a metaphor for personal relationships, not a war
imperative. [http://infidelsunited.com/documents/2944/163/standing-challenge-to-muslims]

dishonest

Exactly what has BNI posted that is not factually
true?  Point out the lies and show your evidence to prove that
they are lies.

only Islam

Where is the Christian genocidal conquest
imperative? Where are Christians, emulating Jesus by abductions,
murders & mass casualty attacks against non-combatant
civilians?  Anyone thus engaged would be acting in contravention
of the teachings of Jesus, not in emulation & obedience.

Keith

Christopher…Islam
is no more a threat to the constitution than any other religion that
people want to force upon us instead of the constitution…something MANY
Christians for instance have been very vocal about…yet no one says
anything about THESE radicals. Let’s be clear on facts for you…Islam is
a religion…your incorrect opinion that it is not is irrelevant.
ACCORDING to the Constituion, they have freedom of religion just like
anyone else with the same limits as everyone else…if you don’t like
this, then feel free to leave.

Christian Constitutional threat

This nation was founded by Christians, as a
non-sectarian government.  The establishment clause of the First
Amendment is there for good reason, there was sufficient experience
with sectarianism in Europe and the colonies. .

Constitutional threat

BNI frequently quotes a leader of CAIR declaring a
desire to see Shari’ah supplant the Constitution.  Our organic
documents enshrine and protect human dignity, equality, liberty and
rights.  The Constitution is man made law, which Islam arbitrarily
rejects. Islam demands imposition of Allah’s law: Shari’ah, what Moe
preached and exemplified.  In the last thirty years, 50 trial and
appellate  decisions have involved conflicts between Shari;ah and
the Constitution & l;aws of the United States.

Islam is not a religion

Islam is a continuing criminal enterprise disguised
as a religion. Its mission is mercenary and its method is martial.  The ‘original
religion’ of Islam is jihad.

Sunan Abu Dawud  Book 23, Number 3455:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:

I heard the Apostle of Allah, (peace_be_upon_him) say: When you enter into the inah transaction,
hold the tails
of oxen, are
pleased with agriculture, and
give up conducting jihad
(struggle in the way of Allah). Allah will make disgrace prevail over
you,
and will not withdraw it until you return to your
original religion
.

O9.0: Jihad

(O: Jihad
means to war against non-Muslims
, and is etymologically derived
from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion.
And it is the lesser jihad. As for the greater jihad, it is spiritual
warfare against the lower self (nafs), which is why the Prophet (Allah
bless him and give him peace) said as he was returning from jihad.

“We have returned from the lesser jihad to the
greater jihad.”

The scriptural basis for jihad, prior to
scholarly consensus (def: b7) is such Koranic verses as:

-1- “Fighting is prescribed for you” (Koran 2:216);

-2- “Slay them wherever you find them” (Koran
4:89);

-3- “Fight the idolators utterly” (Koran 9:36);

and such hadiths as the one related by Bukhari
and Muslim
that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said:

“I have been commanded to fight people until
they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the
Messenger of Allah, and perform the prayer, and pay zakat. If they say
it, they have saved their blood and possessions from me, except for the
rights of Islam over them. And their final reckoning is with Allah”;

and the hadith reported by Muslim,

“To go forth in the morning or evening to
fight in the path of Allah is better than the whole world and
everything in it.”Details concerning jihad are found in the accounts
of the military expeditions of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give
him peace), including his own martial forays and those on which he
dispatched others. The former consist of the ones he personally
attended, some twenty-seven (others say twenty-nine) of them. He fought
in eight of them, and killed only one person with his noble hand, Ubayy
ibn Khalaf, at the battle of Uhud. On the latter expeditions he sent
others to fight, himself remaining at Medina, and these were
forty-seven in number.)

freedom of religion

Freedom of religion is for religions, not continuing
criminal enterprises.  Islam entails genocidal conquest.  It
can not be properly practiced without engaging in genocidal
conquest.  If there is a right to practice Islam, than all our
human rights are abrogated.  Rather than repeat the obvious, I
direct doubters & dissenters to full documentation of the fatal facts.

Keith

Claes,
BNI has no stand to sue…Wordpress is not owned by the public, it is
privately owned, as such the First Amendment does not apply. They are
free to create their own rules (TOS) and enforce them as they see
fit…BNI agreed to this when creating the BLOG.

legal standing

WordPress, acting of its own free will, can enforce
their TOS against BNI. If
CAIR interfered in the relationship between BNI and WordPress, then
there might be a cause for litigation.

If an
agency
of the federal government, acting under color of the Istanbul Process
for implementing HRC Res 16/18, prevailed on WordPress to sanction BNI,
then there would be a clear First Amendment issue.  In either
case, proving tortuous interference would probably be an insurmountable
barrier.

Keith

Natalie
let’s clear up a few things since you’re obviously confused. I have
stated other places that I am not Muslim. I am not Christian, I am not
Jewish, I in fact follow NO religion. Thre reason is simple, religion
is nonsense. It is a sedative for the weak and small minded that need
to believe they are special, and that some invisible mythological sky
bully is up in the clouds and watching them…nonsense.

Now
that, THAT is cleared up lets move on. I am not a wimp at all, and have
stood up to bullies my whole life, even doing so when I SERVED this
nation in the United States Navy…that’s right ass clowns, I’m a vet. I
served with Jews, Christians, Muslims, and even a Druid or two, and
learned a lot about their respective religions and the nonsense they
believe. One thing I learned with respect to Islam is that RADICAL
ISLAM is not true Islam. Radical Islam is Islam’s version of the KKK.

Now
ignoring terrorism, sinec MOST Muslims do not believe in it, and moving
on to your other complaints about the crimes committed against men,
women, and children, I feel the same outrage as I do when I hear about
Mormons marrying children, Or Orthodox Jews spitting on little girls
and calling them whores. Or Christian’s shooting doctors because they
perform abortions. I know that these people are committing their
crimes, their acts of “BULLYING” and using their religion as
justificiation. I don’t hold the religion responsible for the acts of
idiots.

I
would REMIND you, child, that Muslims defend you EVERY DAY serving
willfully and honorably in the military. The only ones that make the
news however are the ones that do something bad (see ft hood)

And
when a Muslim deos something good no one sees, listens, or cares, like
the muslim that alerted police to a something suspicious in New York a
few years ago that turned out to be a bomb.

The
fact is that there are BAD CRIMES committed everyday and none of them
have anything to do with religion. People do not do bad things because
they are muslim, they do bad things because they are bad people. They
use their religion as justification but that does not mean the relgion
actually condones it. There have been dozens of Fatwas (spelling)
against the things you’re complaining about, something you’d know if
you did some research, but people still do bad things claiming it is in
the name of islam.

The
sad fact is that there are TOO MANY people like you. People not grown
up enough, or experienced enough, or educated enough to know what the
world is really like and what people are really like. IF ISLAM vanished
tomorrow, all the horrible things would stillhappen, they’d just use a
different excuse.

SO,
until you are READY to condemn Christianity, Judaism, and the REST of
the religions out there for the terrorist acts committed in THEIR
supposed name, stop singling out Islam because you don’t like it.

As
for your childish accusation of me being a pedophile, I’ll just forgive
it and chalk it up you your obvious youth and ignorance.

Radical Islam

There is no such entity!  As a wise man
wrote:  “Its Islam, stupid!”. Islam has a standard, set by Moe’s preaching
& practice, which are recorded in the Qur’an & hadith.

terrorism

I don’t give a damn how many Muslims believe in it
or abjure it. Terrorism is an inseverable intrinsic sacrament of Islam.
I will
cast terror
, “Allah cast terror” “I have been made victorious with terror” Islam is
all or nothing, a package deal: “Then do you believe
in a part of the Scripture and reject
the rest
?” . “Indeed in
the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad) you have a good example
to
follow”.  “…nor they take any step to raise the anger of disbelievers nor inflict any injury upon an
enemy
but is written to their credit as a deed of
righteousness
.”
The arrogance of these liars who defend the indefensible is
infuriating!  Any step taken to injure or enrage a disbeliever is
a deed of righteousess!!! That
says it all, putting the lie to the Moronic protestations of innocent,
moderate Islam.

Three thousand people are dead and thousands more
injured because the magnificent nineteen  believed Allah’s threat
& promise, implementing his accursed imperative.  Ain’t that
sufficient?

Keith

Dajjal
I am of course not wrong…I’m simply, based on the errors in your
posting, smarter and better educated than you are. OR you are a
LIAR…you get to choose.

TO
CLAIM that there is no such thing as Islamophobia is a BOLD FACED FALSE
statement. To claim there is no such thing as islamophobia is the same
as claiming there is no such thing as racism, or sexism, etc etc. You
think by denying its existance it gives you license to engage in it.

It
doesn’t.

It
does exist and you are one such person that engages in it.

You
want to continue to be part of the problem? Then keep lying like the
rest of these childish cowards and dullards.

IF
YOU want to truly be part of some kind of solution then the first thing
you have to do is recognize your own failings, and dismiss your phobia,
and THEN engage the very people you falsely judge and get their
help….that’s how you make solutions…not by lying about people you know
nothing about.

As
for teh number of people killed by Islam, I find your numbers to be
nonsense….and if you want to play that game, how many killed by the
terrorists of Christianity, or the VILLANS of Judaism…play fair boy, or
don’t play.

smarter

I have a tested verbal IQ of 140. I have 140 hours
of college credit with a GPA of 3.25.

liar

You called BNI a pile of dog excrement.  In
fact, it is a blog, with plenty of well documented facts and opinions
based on those facts.  I did not fabricate anything or tell any
lies in my reply to Mama Grizley’s comment.  In this response to
your comments, I have quoted the Qur’an, hadith and Islamic law, in
each case I have supplied links so that readers can verify the
authenticity of the quotes and explore the context.  You have
personal attacks, diversions and false, ignorant assertions. I have
relevant, verifiable, well documented facts.

Islamophobia

I took that lie apart and disproved it with factual
evidence in a previous paragraph. Click the linked heading to review
the details.

part of the problem

The problem is Islam, a set of doctrines which
sanctifies men’s worst impulses, sanctioning barbarity in the ‘service
of god’.  I am not part of that problem, I am exposing the
problem. BNI exposes Islam with video evidence.  I expose it with
textual evidence from Islam’s canon.

lying

Islam is a lie, told by a liar.  Moe did not
receive divine inspiration or revelation, he  took advantage of
hallucinations and issued situational scripture to permit himself to
sin.  Refer to the following documents for the gritty details.

number of victims

The number is not mine, the statistic was compiled by someone else. Only
Islam has an open ended, unlimited genocide imperative.  8:39
& 9:29
are fight until loops of global scale, terminated only by total global
conquest and subjugation. 8:67
makes “great slaughter” Moe’s price of admission to Allah’s celestial
bordello. 47:4
tells Moe not to take prisoners until he has “killed and wounded many
of them.


Christian terrorists

Show me the New Testament book, chapter & verse
wherein Jesus Christ sanctions, sanctifies and exemplifies
terrorism.  Christians acting like Muslims would be contravening
Christ’s teaching and example, obeying Allah and emulating Moe instead
of  Christ.

January 4, 2012 - Posted by | CAIR, Islam, Political Correctness | , , , ,

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  2. Dajjal, I am going to use this in the League of Islamic American Relations, if it has been not posted there already.

    Comment by Jim Patterson | January 5, 2012 | Reply

    • Go for it, Jim, its open season, as all my original posts are.

      Comment by dajjal | January 5, 2012 | Reply

  3. “Private entities” ONLY exist within and because of the laws of the countries of all the individual citizens. ‘Companies’ & ‘corporations’ are only GROUPS of GANGS of citizens. When they start to enforce illegal actions on their own “private” property, just remember that a crime is a crime, and you can’t rob rape or murder anyone in the privacy of your own home, and then, when the cops show up, get to legally tell them to fuck off.

    The Internet itself is PUBLIC Domain property, and blog-hosting sites such as TurdPress only get to license their domains if and when THEY agree to abide by the laws of society.

    Free speech is a RIGHT, not a privilege which can be limited to non-corporate “free speech zones.” If you’re in my home and I don’t like what you say, I might be able to ask you to leave, but I can’t have you arrested for it!

    In the current instance, limiting free speech against a crime is to remove someone’s rights to accuse others of their crimes (islam).

    It’s only slander if it’s a lie; even Aristotle noted that slander is ONLY prejudice, and vice-versa. If you can prove something (Defense of Truth) then it’s NOT slander or libel.

    Perhaps opening a blog-site while claiming to adhere to free speech (the TurdPress terms of service, or TOS agreement) which limits “objectionable” speech to only un-truths, (political correctness = factual incorrectness, after all) but then tries to strong-arm remove sites such as BNI are the ones who are actually in breech of their own TOS agreements – THEY (TurdPress) are the ones liable for breaking their own civil contracts… not to mention, they are doing it in aid of an ongoing criminal enterprise (islam) whether under duress (coercion/ extortion; aka threat of ‘terrorism’) or not… THEY are the ones acting in a PUBLIC domain (here on the Internet itself) as complicit accessories (willing or not) to the criminals.

    And so: NO, Dajjal, I don’t think they have ANY ‘legal right’ to commit same!

    ;-(

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    • “Those who have the gold make the rules.”. WordPress, Blogger,etal. have the gold: they own or rent file servers and DNS servers, and have heavy investments in software and maintenance, so they, having the gold, make the rules.

      While I share your frustration, I don’t agree with your analysis of the problem. Granted that, in the absence of third party interference, WP probably would not have acted as they did. Intimidation & extortion through lawfare is difficult to overcome.

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