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Gingrich: Palestinian People invented


Newt Gingrich, in an interview with The Jewish Channel, denied the Palestinian narrative.  Washington Post has a transcript of the interview, which is more complex than the single sound byte which is drawing intense criticism.  The full quote is found on the third page of the transcript. I added bold italic emphasis to the part cited in the media.

Newt – Well, I believe that the Jewish people have the right to have a state, and I believe that the commitments that were made at a time…remember there was no Palestine as a state. It was part of the Ottoman Empire. And I think that we’ve had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many places. And for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940’s, and I think it’s tragic.

invented Palestinian people

Everyone who has read the Bible knows that Jerusalem was King David’s capital city and that his son Solomon constructed the Temple on the Temple Mount, hundreds of years before Christ. We know that there was a Babylonian captivity, return and rebuilding.  During the lifetime of Muhammad, Israel was occupied by the Roman Empire.

We also know that Joseph took Mary on his trip to Bethlehem of Judea to pay his Roman taxes.  If Bethlehem was in Palestine, why was that area called Judea?

In 638, six years after Moe’s death, Umar conquered and occupied the Roman Province of Syria.  Instead of giving the land back to its rightful owners, he occupied and oppressed them.

The Romans renamed the area “Philistia” after suppressing a revolt. The place and people remained the same: Jews living in Judea.  Jews, not Arabs, are indigenous to Israel.

Palestine

I have a few questions for the omniscient experts who “know” that “Palestinians” are indigenous to “Palestine” and deserve to have a state carved out of Israel because they had a nation there.

  1. When and where did the nation of “Palestine” exist?
  2. What was its capital city?
  3. Who was its ruler?
  4. What was its currency?
  5. What was its religion?
  6. What distinguishes “Palestinians” from the mill run of Arabs?

WW1

The Ottoman Empire allied with the Axis Powers and lost. Britain was given a mandate to recreate a Jewish state. We have all heard of “next year in Jerusalem”, but where were the demands for restoration of “Palestine”?

WW2

Britain gave 75% of Israel’s land to Trans-Jordan. Where were the demands for establishing a “Palestinian” state?  The UN came up with a partition plan, which the Muslims rejected. They chose war instead of a state. Egypt illegally seized Gaza and Jordan illegally seized Judea & Samaria.  Where were the demands for restoration of “Palestine”.

1967

The Muslims attacked again and lost. In the process, Israel regained Judea & Samaria. Now the kvetching which began in 1964 increased in volume and intensity.  Who will explain why there were no loud demands for “Palestinian independence” prior to ’64 when Arab dictatorships held the territories?

The Big Lie

One crucial quote from a newspaper interview, reproduced by WND, lets the snake out of the bag: “Palestinian people” is a political fabulism!

Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here’s what he said:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.

Compare the two statements:

  • I think that we’ve had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were historically part of the Arab community
  • The Palestinian people does not exist…there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians … will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan

A member of the PLO executive  committee revealed the fatal fact in 1977: “Palestine” is bogus.   How then  can you criticize Newt for restating the obvious truth?  Terms such as  “racist” & “reckless” are bandied about without merit.

Two state solution

Two states: Israel & Jordan. There is no need for another state. We have learned what we should have known all along: the “Palestinian people” are a political fabulism.  Israel is Palestine. Palestine is Israel. Palestinians are Jews.

Peace

In a pig’s anus!  There is no “peace process”. There is no peace and there never will be; Muslims will never tolerate Israel, for one simple reason which nobody wants to admit. Jew hatred is intrinsic to Islam.

  • 1:7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).
  • 2:161. Verily, those who disbelieve, and die while they are disbelievers, it is they on whom is the Curse of Allâh and of the angels and of mankind, combined.
  • 5:60. Say (O Muhammad  to the people of the Scripture): “Shall I inform you of something worse than that, regarding the recompense from Allâh: those (Jews) who incurred the Curse of Allâh and His Wrath, those of whom (some) He transformed into monkeys and swines, those who worshipped Tâghût (false deities); such are worse in rank (on the Day of Resurrection in the Hell­fire), and far more astray from the Right Path (in the life of this world).”
  • 5:82. Verily, you will find the strongest among men in enmity to the believers (Muslims) the Jews and those who are Al-Mushrikûn (see V.2:105), and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: “We are Christians.” That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud.
  • 7:167. And (remember) when your Lord declared that He would certainly keep on sending against them (i.e. the Jews), till the Day of Resurrection, those who would afflict them with a humiliating torment. Verily, your Lord is Quick in Retribution (for the disobedient, wicked) and certainly He is Oft­Forgiving, Most Merciful (for the obedient and those who beg Allâh’s Forgiveness).
  • 9:30. And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allâh, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allâh. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allâh’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth!
  • 98:6. Verily, those who disbelieve (in the religion of Islâm, the Qur’ân and Prophet Muhammad ()) from among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) and Al-Mushrikûn will abide in the Fire of Hell. They are the worst of creatures.
  • Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 392:

    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, “Let us go to the Jews” We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, “If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle.”

  • Sunan  Abu Dawud 14.2477
    Narrated Ibn Hawalah:

    The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: It will turn out that you will be armed troops, one is Syria, one in the Yemen and one in Iraq. Ibn Hawalah said: Choose for me, Apostle of Allah, if I reach that time. He replied: Go to Syria, for it is Allah’s chosen land, to which his best servants will be gathered but if you are unwilling, go to your Yemen, and draw water from your tanks, for Allah has on my account taken special charge of Syria and its people.

Moe invested many words inculcating hatred of Jews but one hadith stands out above the rest, collected by Bukhari and Muslim, this says it all.

  • Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
    Narrated Abu Huraira:

    Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

Muslims can not enter the Celestial Bordello until they hunt down and murder the last Jew.  This is a clue for you.

clues for the clueless

The Arab culture is shame/honor based, which explains why they murder their daughters who are suspected of fornication.  For Muslims, there is an even greater shame: being shown up as believing in a false idol.  Allah promised them world domination: gradual, irreversible accretion of land through conquest.   Allah promised that an army of faithful believers could defeat an army twice as large.

They will never tolerate the existence of Israel because Israel proves the falsity of those promises, demonstrating the fact that Allah is an impotent idol.

  • 8:66. Now Allâh has lightened your (task), for He knows that there is weakness in you. So if there are of you a hundred steadfast persons, they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a thousand of you, they shall overcome two thousand with the Leave of Allâh. And Allâh is with As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.).
  • 13:41. See they not that We gradually reduce the land (of disbelievers, by giving it to the believers, in war victories) from its outlying borders. And Allâh judges, there is none to put back His Judgement and He is Swift at reckoning.

Newt said something which is factually true. Falestinians, the Arab League and treacherous politicians accuse him of “racism”  and “inciting terrorism”.  The critics cherry picked one sentence from an extensive interview in which vital national security concepts are discussed.  I hope that you will use the link to the Washington Post and read the entire interview.

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December 12, 2011 - Posted by | Islam, Political Correctness, Politics | , , ,

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  1. Nationalism’s kind of stupid in my eyes, democracy. If you have a large segment of a population that does not want to be under foreign rule why shouldn’t that community be allowed to govern itself? If the people want to be independent, why not let them be so? It’s like a dysfunctional marriage, bad for both parties.

    Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 12, 2011 | Reply

    • Some Muslims remained in the Levant following Umar’s conquest in 638. Others rushed in when Jews began reclaiming the land and building an economy in the late 19th century. Muslims are not indigenous to the Levant, they are interlopers.

      The Mandate was to recreate a national home for Jews on the land stolen from them. Instead, Britain gave most of it to the defeated Hashemites driven from the Hijaz by Ibn Saud. If the Falestinians need a state, it is there for them, they already form a major part of the population of Jordan.

      Comment by dajjal | December 12, 2011 | Reply

  2. The fact remains that for a period of about 1800 years, from the Roman diaspora to the Modern Aliyahs (migrations), there was a majority non-Jewish population living in Palestine. Those people should have identical rights to Jews. They shouldn’t have been killed and driven off lands that they’d tended in many cases for generations as what happened in 1948. See the Bedouins of the Negev and the Jewish settlements on the West Bank.

    The British signed multiple agreements to multiple parties throughout the period of WW1 with a number of different parties. The Balfour Declaration made to Rothschild was quite Zionist, the High Commissioner in Cairo, MacMahon made a pro-Arab agreement with the Sharif of Mecca. Both in practice were ignored and the Sykes-Picot agreement which split the Middle East up amongst the Allies took prominence, an agreement only revealed by the Russians following the Bolshevik Revolution.

    In an ideal word there’d be a one state solution in which an entirely secular state would represent without bias the wishes of the Muslims and Jewish population. That unfortunately cannot be so at the moment.

    Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 12, 2011 | Reply

    • In 1948, Arabs had the option of accepting the partition plan and living side by side with Israel in a peaceful state of their own.

      They could have stayed in place and helped to build Israel. Had they done so, they would be enjoying the social and economic fruits of a wise decision; your one state solution.

      Instead, they chose to attempt genocide & politicide and failed. They dug their grave, let them lay in it.

      Comment by dajjal | December 13, 2011 | Reply

  3. The only argument for any special Jewish rights to the Holy Lands is religious. If you’re a believer in the Old Testament I understand your support.

    As for 1948? If you’ve read a little of the Israeli Declaration of Independence you’d see why the Palestinians might be a bit perturbed. Perhaps they should have. I wasn’t there. But why make their descendants pay for their mistakes? And don’t make the mistake of seeing this as a black and white conflict, both sides were bloody and violent towards one another. Look up the Deir Yassin Massacre, the Irgun, the Stern Gang, and more recent atrocities.

    Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 13, 2011 | Reply

    • By the late 18th century, Jews were purchasing land and Muslims were engaging in pogroms. The violence is Islamic. Refer to 9:29 & 123, see also 7:167 and the infamous genocide hadith Sahih Muslim 41.6985, if I remember right.

      Comment by dajjal | December 13, 2011 | Reply

      • You can cherrypick all you like, but the fact is that the violence and murder has and continues to go both ways. Christianity hasn’t historically been known for its tolerance of Jews either.

        You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45But because I tell the truth, you do not believe me. 46Which one of you convicts me of sin? If I tell the truth, why do you not believe me? 47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

        The Jewish people were driven by their drunkenness and plumpness to the ultimate evil; they kicked about, they failed to accept the yoke of Christ, nor did they pull the plow of his teaching. Another prophet hinted at this when he said: “Israel is as obstinate as a stubborn heifer.” … Although such beasts are unfit for work, they are fit for killing. And this is what happened to the Jews: while they were making themselves unfit for work, they grew fit for slaughter. This is why Christ said: “But as for these my enemies, who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and slay them.” [Luke 19:27]

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_antisemitism

        Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 13, 2011

      • Argumentum Tu-Quoque is a diversion, not a defense. Muslims are commanded by their demon to wage war against Jews, Christians & Zoroastrians. The imperative is confirmed by hadith and codified in Shari’ah. It is ratified by genocidal eschatological ahadith.

        Jesus is a Jew. He did not command his apostles to wage war on or persecute Jews. He told them to handle rejection by shaking the dust from their shoes, letting God deal with the stiff necked in his own sweet time. Moe commanded his followers to fight and kill those who rejected Islam. The contrast is clear and undeniable.

        Luke 19:27 is a parable, not a command. The LibTard mind is incapable of making the distinction. It describes a tyrant, it does not command emulating him. http://bible.cc/luke/19-27.htm

        Comment by dajjal | December 13, 2011

  4. What? The Koran definitely has anti Semitic verses. I’m not disputing that. Like the Bible you can read anything you want out of it given enough patience and the right mindset. Look at the various actions of “true believers” throughout history. I’m not saying the Koran is a gospel of peace, but neither is the Bible, although the Old Testament is definitely more warlike than the New. Both scriptures are complex and contradictory. Here’s some peaceable verses from the Koran that should be shown alongside the warlike ones you gave.

    And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit. [Quran 29:46]

    Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . [Quran 2:62]

    Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 13, 2011 | Reply

    • Sequence of revelation is significant because of the science of Naskh. 2:106. Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allâh is able to do all things?

      16:101. And when We change a Verse [of the Qur’ân, i.e. cancel (abrogate) its order] in place of another, and Allâh knows the best of what He sends down, they (the disbelievers) say: “You (O Muhammad ) are but a Muftari! (forger, liar).” Nay, but most of them know not.

      First in: first out. later revelations abrogate earlier revelations with which they conflict. Surah At-Taubah was 113 in sequence of revelation. It abrogates earlier surahs, including 29–85 & 2–87.

      9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

      That is one of three primary jihad imperatives. I challenge you to find, from the mouth of Christ, in the New Testament, functional equivalents of:

      8:12. (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, “Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.”

      8:39. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do.

      8:57. So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson.

      8:60. And make ready against them all you can of power, including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of Allâh and your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know but whom Allâh does know. And whatever you shall spend in the Cause of Allâh shall be repaid unto you, and you shall not be treated unjustly

      8:67. It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allâh desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise.

      9:111. Verily, Allâh has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allâh’s Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Qur’ân. And who is truer to his covenant than Allâh? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success .

      9:120. It was not becoming of the people of Al-Madinah and the bedouins of the neighbourhood to remain behind Allâh’s Messenger (Muhammad when fighting in Allâh’s Cause) and (it was not becoming of them) to prefer their own lives to his life. That is because they suffer neither thirst nor fatigue, nor hunger in the Cause of Allâh, nor they take any step to raise the anger of disbelievers nor inflict any injury upon an enemy but is written to their credit as a deed of righteousness. Surely, Allâh wastes not the reward of the Muhsinûn

      9:123. O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allâh is with those who are the Al-Muttaqûn (the pious – see V.2:2).

      Jesus neither declared, sanctified nor exemplified conquest, genocide & terrorism. Moe did. Christ’s victory is over sin and death. Moe’s victory is over people who refused to join his cult.

      Comment by dajjal | December 14, 2011 | Reply

  5. Yes. People pick and choose what they want to adhere to according to their own individual opinions. The verses you pick have been used to advocate war and oppression, the verses I put up have been used to advocate peace and tolerance of the like seen in periods of Medieval Moorish Spain for instance.

    I respect Christ as a great man. He was a great teacher, much of what he said sticks with my own morals. His wishes were to reform some of the more negative aspects of Judaism, and so naturally you won’t find much warlike rhetoric of his. Other parts of the Bible are not so exemplary in their morals.

    Islam is inherently similar to much of the “religions of the book” as it can be twisted and read in any way a particular reader sees fit, as can be seen from the differing sects and schools of thought. Ie. compare Sufism to Wahabism and Salafism.

    Saying that all Muslims think exactly the same thing is ridiculous. The world is much more complex than that.

    Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 14, 2011 | Reply

    • Islam has a standard interpretation: the exemplary conduct of Muhammad bin Abdullah. 85 aggressive conquests between 623 and 632. Rapes, murders, incest, plunder & extortion.

      2:85. After this, it is you who kill one another and drive out a party of you from their homes, assist (their enemies) against them, in sin and transgression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their expulsion was forbidden to you. Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment. And Allâh is not unaware of what you do.

      Picking and choosing ain’t permitted; its all or nothing.

      3:32. Say (O Muhammad ): “Obey Allâh and the Messenger (Muhammad ).” But if they turn away, then Allâh does not like the disbelievers.

      33:21. Indeed in the Messenger of Allâh (Muhammad ) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allâh and the Last Day and remembers Allâh much.

      http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/riyad/11/chap234.htm will show you what you are commanded to obey & emulate. That is what Islam is; what Muslims do. That is how Arabia, Africa, half of Asia and South Eastern Europe came under Islamic domination. By the Grace of God they were stopped at Lepanto, Poitiers & Vienna.

      Comment by dajjal | December 14, 2011 | Reply

  6. Islam has no standard interpretation. Neither does Christianity. The only thing that unites Muslim is the belief that there is only one God and Muhammad is His messenger. You say picking and choosing ain’t permitted? It happens, whose stopping it?

    Christianity is also authoritarian. You also must obey God, submit to him and try to emulate Jesus. That is how Europe, the Americas, half of Africa and various other parts of the world came under Christian domination. I’m not entirely sure you’ve had much contact with Muslims. Speaking as a person who grew up with a lot of them as friends, they don’t all have beards, wage war on the West and rape people.

    Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 14, 2011 | Reply

    • I can lead a fool to truth, but I can’t make him recognize it. 2:85 & 33:21 have meanings which are clear on the face of the text and beyond dispute. Moe said that he was commanded to fight. Moe said that he was made victorious with terror. India was Hindu, not Islamic. Yemen, Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Albania & North Africa were Christian and Animist, not Islamic. There were enough believers to conquer half the world, without the benefit of atomic bombs.

      The merger of Catholicism and the Roman Empire does not set the standard of Christianity, the Gospels do. Deceptive & defective Muslims do not set the standard of Islam, Moe did. Go to Amazon and buy a copy of Guillaume’s “The Life of Muhammad”, read it and see what Islam is.

      Comment by dajjal | December 14, 2011 | Reply

  7. Islam, Christianity, all the same. Jihads or Crusades, not much difference, and in the end, the Christians were more successful and just as bloodthirsty. Roman catholicism was Christianity up until the Reformation, and still is the largest sect of Christianity by a long mile. Of all the varying interpretations of the Christian religion, that would have to be the standard one, if such fallacies existed. Truth is that there are no standards or absolutes. People think different and do drastically different things. You can’t lob in every Muslim under the banner of Osama bin Laden, just as you can’t put every Christian amongst the ranks of the Lord’s Resistance Army.

    Also India is still Hindu.

    Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 14, 2011 | Reply

    • The Crusades were a counter reaction to more than 400 years of Islamic invasion of Southern Europe. Jesus did not command Christians to Crusade. Moe commanded Muslims to invade.

      Islam is what Moe said and did, nothing else. I invite doubters, dissenters & damn fools of every stripe to follow the numerous links to Islam’s canon of scripture, tradition, exegesis & jurisprudence.

      Comment by dajjal | December 16, 2011 | Reply

  8. Seriously? When the Crusades happened the Byzantine Empire still held sway over Western Anatolia. The Turks didn’t establish a strong and lasting hold in Europe until the 1400s. The last major crusade, the Ninth, was in 1271.

    Islam is the belief that there is one God and Muhammad is his messenger. Christianity is pretty much the belief that Jesus was the Son of God. Apart from that anything goes, as can be seen by the thousands of sects and schools of thought these major religions have divided themselves up into.

    Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 16, 2011 | Reply

    • One of the Crusades was to reclaim Jerusalem, which was seized in 632. Without Islamic aggression, there would be no Crusades.

      Islam is not a religion, it is a predator, wearing a false clerical mantle as a camouflage.

      Comment by dajjal | December 16, 2011 | Reply

      • Oh, you speak of the virtuous First Crusade? Which begun with the mass slaughter of Jews throughout Europe and ended when the Crusaders entered the holy city of Jerusalem and proceeded to sack it, killing and raping Muslim and Jew alike? Hardly morally pure.

        War is generally a bad thing, and so the Caliphate’s forceful spread of its ideology is anathema to me. But the Christians did it too, and frequently. The northern crusades through the Baltic and Scandinavia were hardly different from Mohammed’s conquest of Arabia, and the subsequent spread after his death.

        Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 17, 2011

      • If war is anathema for you, you must not be a Muslim and should not be an apologist either. “Jihad is ordained for you…: 2:216. Then there are the imperatives previously cited & Moe’s confirmation & 86 battles,

        Jesus did not authorize the Crusades.

        Comment by dajjal | December 17, 2011

  9. I’m not a Muslim, and I’m not an apologist. Simply trying to say the forces of Islam weren’t the only empire going around killing people at that time. They also created enlightened centres of tolerance and science. You shouldn’t generalise and say, Muslims are evil. Christians are good. It’s patently false.

    Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 17, 2011 | Reply

    • Islam is intrinsically evil: designed for it’s founder’s personal emolument through plunder & extortion Read The Sealed Nectar and The Life of Muhammad, then decide how likely it is that barbarian would found a beneficent, anodyne ‘religion of peace”.

      Christianity has a good foundation and some lousy followers. Islam has an evil foundation, some good followers and enough faithful followers to cost 270 million people their lives.

      Comment by dajjal | December 17, 2011 | Reply

  10. How did we get here from Palestine?

    Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 18, 2011 | Reply

    • The Falestine question is crucial because Jews were the first and last victims of Isdamn. Refer to the infamous genocide hadith, Muslim 41.6985 which is cited in many of these posts. “First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people.”

      Muslims attack Jews because they ain’t Muslims. No other pretext is required; all else is superfluous.

      Comment by dajjal | December 18, 2011 | Reply

  11. The fact that the Israelis drove them out of their ancestral homes, massacred them, and continue to oppress them probably adds to some of it. The violence goes both ways. The Israeli side is hardly guiltless.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_and_massacres_during_the_1948_Palestine_War

    Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 18, 2011 | Reply

    • Your narrative is inverted. Jews did not drive out Muslims; Muslims drove out Jews in 638! The Ottoman Empire lost WW1, losing t5he desert in the process. It ain’t your land!! It belongs to Israel exclusively. SandMaggots had the option of a nation of their own but rejected it in favor of attempted genocide. They must live with the consequences.

      Comment by dajjal | December 18, 2011 | Reply

    • Those ain’t facts. Muslims were engaging in pogroms since the late 19th. century;. They launched a genocide campaign in 1948. Muslims attack, Jews retaliate. No attack: no retaliation.

      Comment by dajjal | December 18, 2011 | Reply

  12. Very well. Stay content in your view point that Israelis can do no wrong and that Palestinians are utterly evil. No amount of evidence seems to convince you otherwise.

    Comment by greatlakessocialist | December 20, 2011 | Reply

    • Israel is too finely divided politically and too Socialistic. Israel is also too pusillanimous. Even so, with all her perfections, Israel is in the right historically, morally & legally. There is no evidence to the contrary.

      Comment by dajjal | December 21, 2011 | Reply

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