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A spike in hits to  one of my blog posts, Outlaw Islam!, aroused my curiosity. When I checked the referral list, I discovered two referrals (three on Tuesday)  from Comics, Beer, and Shakespeare .  I visited that blog where I found the following post. 

Sunday, March 16, 2008

Dumb on a variety of levels

[…]The ultimate in lunacy is the following: Outlaw Islam!

Where do I start with this? Should I start with the irony that the site is titled “Freedom ain’t Free”? I mean, is outlawing a religion kinda, you know, not respecting freedom? Don’t get me started on the phrase on the top of the page, “Victory is not defeat.” Wow. Deep. What’s next, “Chocolate is not vanilla”? “Sauerkraut is not Legos”? Ugh.

Okay, let’s look at the heart of this. The guy who writes this thing uses the usual out-of-context quotes to make his point. I could do a whole series of blogs on how you can do the same thing regarding the Bible, but there are plenty of other websites out there that have already done it. (Besides, I’m too fond of eating rock-badger to be reminded of the fact that I’m not supposed to eat it.) He also points out all the undeniable acts of terrorism, while ignoring that the majority of the world’s billion and a half Muslims actually aren’t terrorists. They’re just, you know, people.

Let’s forget all of that for a moment though. Let’s say I agree. Let’s say that Islam is far too dangerous of a religion to be seen simply as a religion. This leaves one mighty big chunk of falafel that can’t be ignored: HOW THE HELL WOULD THIS POSSIBLY BE ENFORCED????

And where do you draw the line? What about the World Bahai Faith? They incorporate the teachings of Muhammed in their religion (along with other faiths.) Do we require them to just drop that part, or do we ban them outright as well? What about The Koran? Are we going to become book-burners as well? What about guys like Resa Aslan, who, although a Muslim, regards the stories of the Koran to be myths that should not be taken literally? Shoot, how about Hussein Ibish, who claims to be an agnostic for the Muslim community? Will he simply have to be an agnostic now? Is the topic of Islam now off-limits to the Unitarians?

And can you really stop somebody from believing what they believe? I mean, the Romans tried that with the Christians, and that worked out pretty well. But those were the Romans, and they were incorruptable, so I doubt that we have that kind of wherewithal. Who’s to stop somebody from saying that they’re a Christian, but then actually believing that Muhammad was the last prophet? Are we really going to start employing the Thought Police now?

Here’s the thing. For the most part, I can respect people with differing opinions. Sometimes though, things need to be called out as they are. The person behind this website is an idiot. There just aren’t two ways about it. Idiot. Dumbass. Moron. To dignify him with having a point that’s worthy of debate is to destroy the very concept of intelligent dicussion. I mean, we wouldn’t take Freedom Williams’ statements regarding Martians and their seeming inability to talk, (but willingness to rap) seriously, would we? This is just as stupid – no, wait – it’s more stupid.

  • “Freedom ain’t Free”

That is a reference to the price paid by the many members of our armed forces who fought, bled and died to preserve freedom for us, including the blog owner who describes himself as a DAV.

  • I mean, is outlawing a religion kinda, you know, not respecting freedom?

There is an implicit false postulate in the question: ‘Islam is a religion’.   Islam’s purpose is mercenary, not spiritual and its method is martial. There is plenty of evidence of Islam’s mercenary nature.

8:1 They ask you (O Muhammad) about the spoils of war. Say: “The spoils are for Allâh and the Messenger.” So fear Allâh and adjust all matters of difference among you, and obey Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad), if you are believers.

Ibn Kathir’s Tafsir: Imam Ahmad recorded that Sa`d bin Malik said, “I said, `O Allah’s Messenger, Allah has brought comfort to me today over the idolators, so grant me this sword.’ He said, (This sword is neither yours nor mine; put it down.) So I put it down, but said to myself, `The Prophet might give this sword to another man who did not fight as fiercely as I did.’ I heard a man calling me from behind and I said, `Has Allah revealed something in my case’ The Prophet said, (You asked me to give you the sword, but it is not for me to decide about. However, it has been granted to me (by Allah), and I give it to you.) So Allah sent down this Ayah, (They ask you about Al-Anfal. Say: “Al-Anfal are for Allah and the Messenger”).  Abu Dawud, At-Tirmidhi and An-Nasa’i collected this Hadith, At-Tirmidhi said, “Hasan Sahih”.

8:41 And know that whatever of war-booty that you may gain, verily one-fifth (1/5th) of it is assigned to Allâh, and to the Messenger, and to the near relatives [of the Messenger (Muhammad)], (and also) the orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor) and the wayfarer, if you have believed in Allâh and in that which We sent down to Our slave (Muhammad) on the Day of criterion (between right and wrong), the Day when the two forces met (the battle of Badr) – And Allâh is Able to do all things.

Ibn Kathir’s Tafsir   Allah explains the spoils of war in detail, as He has specifically allowed it for this honorable Ummah over all others. We should mention that the `Ghanimah’ refers to war spoils captured from the disbelievers, using armies and instruments of war. As for `Fai’, it refers to the property of the disbelievers that they forfeit in return for peace, what they leave behind when they die and have no one to inherit from them, and the Jizyah (tribute tax) and Khiraj (property tax). Allah said, (And know that whatever of war booty that you may gain, verily, one-fifth of it is assigned to Allah) indicating that the one-fifth should be reserved and paid in full ﴿to Muslim leaders﴾ whether it was little or substantial, even a yarn and needle. […](verily, one-fifth of it is assigned to Allah, and to the Messenger, ) was explained by Ibn `Abbas, as Ad-Dahhak reported from him, “Whenever the Messenger of Allah sent an army, he used to divide the war booty they collected into five shares, reserving one-fifth and divided it into five shares.” […]

8:67 It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war (and free them with ransom) until he had made a great slaughter (among his enemies) in the land. You desire the good of this world (i.e. the money of ransom for freeing the captives), but Allâh desires (for you) the Hereafter. And Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise.

33:26-27 And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allâh brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.  And He caused you to inherit their lands, and their houses, and their riches, and a land which you had not trodden (before). And Allâh is Able to do all things.

48:18-20 Indeed, Allâh was pleased with the believers when they gave their Bai’â (pledge) to you (O Muhammad) under the tree, He knew what was in their hearts, and He sent down As-Sakinah (calmness and tranquillity) upon them, and He rewarded them with a near victory,And abundant spoils that they will capture. And Allâh is Ever All-Mighty, All-Wise.  Allâh has promised you abundant spoils that you will capture, and He has hastened for you this, and He has restrained the hands of men from you, that it may be a sign for the believers, and that He may guide you to a Straight Path.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 7, Number 331: […]. The booty has been made Halal (lawful) for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me. […]

Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4327:
The spoils of war were not made lawful for any people before us, This is because Allah saw our weakness and humility and made them lawful for us.

 Bukhari  Ch 61 # 2756: …It is mentioned from Ibn ‘Umar from the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, “My provision has been placed under the shadow of my spear, and abasement and humility have been placed on the one who disobeys my command.

Ibn Kathir’s Tafsir:   […](I was sent with the sword just before the Hour so that Allah be worshipped alone without partners. My provision was placed under the shadow of my spear, and those who defy my order were disgraced and humiliated, and he who imitates a people is one of them.) This is why Allah the Exalted said,(wherein is mighty power,) in reference to weapons, such as swords, spears, daggers, arrows, shields, and so forth,[…]

Sahih  Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).
There is no lack of evidence of Islam’s martial  method either.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 267:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, “Khosrau will be ruined, and there will be no Khosrau after him, and Caesar will surely be ruined and there will be no Caesar after him, and you will spend their treasures in Allah’s Cause.” He called, “War is deceit’.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 37, Number 495:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Whenever a dead man in debt was brought to Allah’s Apostle he would ask, “Has he left anything to repay his debt?” If he was informed that he had left something to repay his debts, he would offer his funeral prayer, otherwise he would tell the Muslims to offer their friend’s funeral prayer. When Allah made the Prophet wealthy through conquests, he said, “I am more rightful than other believers to be the guardian of the believers, so if a Muslim dies while in debt, I am responsible for the repayment of his debt, and whoever leaves wealth (after his death) it will belong to his heirs. “

Does any question remain about the true purpose of Islam?  The martial methodology of Islam is no less clear on the face of its canon of scripture & tradition.

2:216 Jihâd (holy fighting in Allâh’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allâh knows but you do not know.  [Refer to the translator’s footnote to 2:190.]
Ibn Kathir’s Tafsir: […] (March forth, whether you are light or heavy.)” Allah commanded mass mobilization together with the Messenger of Allah for the battle of Tabuk, to fight the disbelieving, People of the Book, the Romans, Allah’s enemies. Allah ordained that the believers all march forth with the Messenger regardless whether they felt active, lazy, at ease or had difficult circumstances,[…]
Ibn Kathir’s Tafsir: […]Allah says, `He willed for you to meet the armed enemy ﴿rather than the caravan﴾ so that He makes you prevail above them and gain victory over them, making His religion apparent and Islam victorious and dominant above all religions. He has perfect knowledge of the consequences of all things, you are surrounded by His wise planning, although people only like what appears favorable to them[…]

8:39 And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allâh) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allâh Alone [in the whole of the world ]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allâh), then certainly, Allâh is All-Seer of what they do.

Ibn Kathir’s Tafsir: […] (And fight them until there is no more Fitnah…) “So that there is no more Shirk.” Similar was said by Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ar-Rabi` bin Anas, As-Suddi, Muqatil bin Hayyan and Zayd bin Aslam. Muhammad bin Ishaq said that he was informed from Az-Zuhri, from `Urwah bin Az-Zubayr and other scholars that (until there is no more Fitnah) the Fitnah mentioned here means, until no Muslim is persecuted so that he abandons his religion. Ad-Dahhak reported that Ibn `Abbas said about Allah’s statement, (and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah alone.) “So that Tawhid is practiced in sincerity with Allah.” Al-Hasan, Qatadah and Ibn Jurayj said,  (and the religion will all be for Allah alone) “So that La ilaha illa-llah is proclaimed.” Muhammad bin Ishaq also commented on this Ayah, “So that Tawhid is practiced in sincerity towards Allah, without Shirk, all the while shunning all rivals who (are being worshipped) besides Him.” […]

[8:60] [Abdullah Yusuf Ali’s translation.]
Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

Translator’s footnotes:
* v.60 : The immediate occasion of this injunction was the weakness of cavalary and appointments of war in the early fights of Islam. But the general meaning follows. In every fight, physical, moral, or spiritual, arm yourself with the best weapons and the best arms against your enemy, so as to instil wholesome respect into him for you and the Cause you stand for.
* There are always lurking enemies whom you may not know, but whom Allah knows. It is your duty to be ready against all, for the sacred Cause uinder whose banner you are fighting.
* Be always ready and put all your resources into your Cause. You do not do so in vain. Allah’s reward will come in various forms. He knows all, and His reward will always be more generous than you can possibly think of.

See also Ibn Kathir:

8:65 O Prophet (Muhammad)! Urge the believers to fight. If there are twenty steadfast persons amongst you, they will overcome two hundred, and if there be a hundred steadfast persons they will overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they (the disbelievers) are people who do not understand.

Ibn Kathir’s Tafsir: Allah encourages His Prophet and the believers to fight and struggle against the enemy, and wage war against their forces. Allah affirms that He will suffice, aid, support, and help the believers against their enemies, even if their enemies are numerous and have sufficient supplies, while the believers are few.

9:29 Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Rodwell’s translation:
Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled.

Ibn Kathir’s Tafsir:
[…](Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.) Therefore, when People of the Scriptures disbelieved in Muhammad , they had no beneficial faith in any Messenger or what the Messengers brought. Rather, they followed their religions because this conformed with their ideas, lusts and the ways of their forefathers, not because they are Allah’s Law and religion. Had they been true believers in their religions, that faith would have directed them to believe in Muhammad , because all Prophets gave the good news of Muhammad’s advent and commanded them to obey and follow him. Yet when he was sent, they disbelieved in him, even though he is the mightiest of all Messengers. Therefore, they do not follow the religion of earlier Prophets because these religions came from Allah, but because these suit their desires and lusts. Therefore, their claimed faith in an earlier Prophet will not benefit them because they disbelieved in the master, the mightiest, the last and most perfect of all Prophets . Hence Allah’s statement,

(Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture,) This honorable Ayah was revealed with the order to fight the People of the Book, after the pagans were defeated, the people entered Allah’s religion in large numbers, and the Arabian Peninsula was secured under the Muslims’ control. Allah commanded His Messenger to fight the People of the Scriptures, Jews and Christians, on the ninth year of Hijrah, and he prepared his army to fight the Romans and called the people to Jihad announcing his intent and destination. The Messenger sent his intent to various Arab areas around Al-Madinah to gather forces, and he collected an army of thirty thousand. Some people from Al-Madinah and some hypocrites, in and around it, lagged behind, for that year was a year of drought and intense heat. The Messenger of Allah marched, heading towards Ash-Sham to fight the Romans until he reached Tabuk, where he set camp for about twenty days next to its water resources. He then prayed to Allah for a decision and went back to Al-Madinah because it was a hard year and the people were weak, as we will mention, Allah willing.[…]

47:4  So, when you meet (in fight Jihâd in Allâh’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islâm), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allâh to continue in carrying out Jihâd against the disbelievers till they embrace Islâm (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allâh’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allâh, He will never let their deeds be lost,

The commands to conquer  have ample confirmation in the oral traditions of Moe’s companions.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.” Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, “O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?” He replied, “Whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’, faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have.”

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah ‘s Apostle said, ” I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ and whoever says, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,’ his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)”

Abu Dawud 14.2635
Narrated Anas ibn Malik:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, face our qiblah (direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us. When they do that, their life and property are unlawful for us except what is due to them. They will have the same rights as the Muslims have, and have the same responsibilities as the Muslims have.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 386:
[…]Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah Alone or give Jizya (i.e. tribute); and our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says:– “Whoever amongst us is killed (i.e. martyred), shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever amongst us remain alive, shall become your master.”[…]

How long does the Jihad continue? Only until Resurrection Day, no big deal.

Abu Dawud Book 14, Number 2526

Narrated Anas ibn Malik:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, “There is no god but Allah” and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

When Thomas Jefferson asked the Barbary Pirates why they attacked our shipping, the reply had a remarkable resemblance to Bukhari 4.53.386 cited above. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman (or Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.

Because Islamic law is derived from the Qur’an & Sunnah, it confirms the evidence cited above. Scroll up and review Rodwell’s translation of 9:29 before proceeding.

The Reliance of the Traveller. Version 1.06 – By Ahmad Ibn Naqib Al-Misri
BOOK O: JUSTICE >> Chapter O-9.0: Jihad

O-9.8: The Objectives of Jihad
The caliph (o-25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o-11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled” (Koran 9.29),
the time and place for which is before the final descent of Jesus (upon whom be peace). After his final coming, nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus’ descent (upon him and our Prophet be peace), which is the divinely revealed law of Muhammad. The coming of Jesus does not entail a separate divinely revealed law, for he will rule by the law of Muhammad. As for the Prophet’s saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),
“I am the last, there will be no prophet after me,”
this does not contradict the final coming of Jesus (upon whom be peace), since he will not rule according to the Evangel, but as a follower of our Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) )


O-9.9
The caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim (O: because they are not a people with a Book, nor honored as such, and are not permitted to settle with paying the poll tax (jizya) ) (n: though according to the Hanafi school, peoples of all other religions, even idol worshippers, are permitted to live under the protection of the Islamic state if they either become Muslim or agree to pay the poll tax, the sole exceptions to which are apostates from Islam and idol worshippers who are Arabs, neither of whom has any choice but becoming Muslim (al-Hidaya sharh Bidaya al-mubtadi’ (y-21), 6.48-49) ).

Obviously, the theological & ritual components are control mechanisms and camouflage, not Islam’s central purpose.

  • Don’t get me started on the phrase on the top of the page, “Victory is not defeat.” Wow. Deep. What’s next, “Chocolate is not vanilla”? “Sauerkraut is not Legos”? Ugh.

That adds no value to the debate. Obviously,  “Victory is not defeat.” is aimed at the leftwingers who advocate surrender.

  • The guy who writes this thing uses the usual out-of-context quotes to make his point.

The Qur’an has little context. It was recited between 610 and 623; it is nothing more than memorized fragments of Moe’s rabble rousing rants.  The commands issued therein  have ample confirmation in  Moe’s sunnah.  Both are reflected in fiqh, as evidenced above. Al-Misri bases the mandate to make war on  Jews and Christians on 9:29, and for obvious good reason.  The commands stand alone, without amplification. 3:7 informs us that  Allah’s commands are contained in clear verses. Examine Ibn Kathir’s Tafsir of  that ayeh.

The Muhkamat are the Ayat that explain the abrogating rulings, the allowed, prohibited, laws, limits, obligations and rulings that should be believed in and implemented. As for the Mutashabihat Ayat, they include the abrogated Ayat, parables, oaths, and what should be believed in, but not implemented.

  • He also points out all the undeniable acts of terrorism, while ignoring that the majority of the world’s billion and a half Muslims actually aren’t terrorists. They’re just, you know, people.

Muslims are Allah’s slaves, purchased for the price of  admission to the celestial bordello so that they kill and are killed  fighting in Allah’s cause.  Islam is terrorism; every Muslim is a potential terrorist.

3:151 We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they joined others in worship with Allâh, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong­doers).

8:12 (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, “Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.

33:26-27 And those of the people of the Scripture who backed them (the disbelievers) Allâh brought them down from their forts and cast terror into their hearts, (so that) a group (of them) you killed, and a group (of them) you made captives.  And He caused you to inherit their lands, and their houses, and their riches, and a land which you had not trodden (before). And Allâh is Able to do all things.

59:2 He it is Who drove out the disbelievers among the people of the Scripture (i.e. the Jews of the tribe of Bani An-Nadir) from their homes at the first gathering. You did not think that they would get out. And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But Allah’s (Torment) reached them from a place whereof they expected it not, and He cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their own dwellings with their own hands and the hands of the believers. Then take admonition, O you with eyes (to see).

  • This leaves one mighty big chunk of falafel that can’t be ignored: HOW THE HELL WOULD THIS POSSIBLY BE ENFORCED????
  1. The umbrella of first amendment protection must be removed from Islam by amending the Constitution to declare the fact that Islam is not a religion worthy of first amendment protection.
  2. Close the Mosques, Masjids, Madrassas & Islamic Centers.
  3. Deport all Islamic aliens.
  4. Close our borders to entry by Muslims.

None of those steps will be easy, but they are necessary.  Without taking them, we will never achieve security. The fifth column must be minimized.

  • And where do you draw the line? What about the World Bahai Faith?

Bahais profess non-violence. True, it is a deviant sect of Islam but it is not engaging in terrorism or Jihad.

  • What about The Koran? Are we going to become book-burners as well?

The demon’s book is too well distributed, in print and electronic form to eliminate it. I see no reason to permit its continued use as an instrument of propagating Moe’s murder cult.  It is only dangerous to the extent that it is believed in and acted upon.

  • What about guys like Resa Aslan, who, although a Muslim, regards the stories of the Koran to be myths that should not be taken literally? Shoot, how about Hussein Ibish, who claims to be an agnostic for the Muslim community? Will he simply have to be an agnostic now? Is the topic of Islam now off-limits to the Unitarians?

Reduction ad absurdum is of no benefit to finding truth in this matter. The Qur’an commands Muslims to obey Allah and his messenger. It is obviously imperative, not metaphorical.  Moe’s sunnah confirms that fact. Islamic law confirms it as well.

  • And can you really stop somebody from believing what they believe?

Killing them effectively ends the danger.  Inducing apostasy is far more humane. In may cases, it is possible. Exposing the Ummah al-Islamiyya to the reality of Moe’s preaching & practice would be a good start.

  • Who’s to stop somebody from saying that they’re a Christian, but then actually believing that Muhammad was the last prophet? Are we really going to start employing the Thought Police now?

Nothing can stop a Muslim from  engaging in the practice of al-taqeyya or kitman.  Do you suspect that Walid Shoebat is still a Muslim?  How about the Caner brothers?

  • Here’s the thing. For the most part, I can respect people with differing opinions. Sometimes though, things need to be called out as they are. The person behind this website is an idiot.

There were many words between the antecedent and the reference. The statement applies to the one who intended the ad hominem attack.

  • Idiot. Dumbass. Moron. To dignify him with having a point that’s worthy of debate is to destroy the very concept of intelligent dicussion. I mean, we wouldn’t take Freedom Williams’ statements regarding Martians and their seeming inability to talk, (but willingness to rap) seriously, would we? This is just as stupid – no, wait – it’s more stupid.

Faced with the fact of  Islam’s mercenary & martial nature; with the fact of 80,000,000 slaughtered Hindus,  1,500,000 Armenians, 750,000 Assyrians, 3000 and Americans, ignoring the real, proximate and perpetual threat of Islamic aggression is suicidal.

Islam is a never ending argument for murder, slavery, rape, pillage, plunder, terror & genocide.  Did you notice the references to mass slaughter in 8:67 & 47:4?

  •  until he had made a great slaughter
  • till when you have killed and wounded many of them

Abu Dawud Book 38, Number 4390:
Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.

Do you know what a Muslim must do to be saved? These  ayat reveal the core of Islam more clearly than anything else possibly can.

61:9-13 He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islâmic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrikûn (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh and in His Messenger Muhammed) hate (it).  O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment.   That you believe in Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allâh with your wealth and your lives,If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of ‘Adn ­ Eternity [‘Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.  And also (He will give you) another (blessing) which you love, help from Allâh (against your enemies) and a near victory. And give glad tidings (O Muhammad) to the believers.  that will be better for you, if you but know!

Islam is an implacable predator, hellbent on subjugating us. Why allow it to have a fifth column on our territory?

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