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In a comment thread at Cyber Pastor’s Do The Right Thing, Shibli Zaman, responding to one of my comments, uttered & published the following. [All emphasis added for clarity.]

Ben said:
“Neither the old nor new testaments contain open ended commands to engage in aggression, terrorism or genocide without chronological or geographic limits. The Qur’an does, and those commands are confirmed by authentic Hadith.”

Quote me a SINGLE verse from the Qur’an that IN ITS CONTEXT tells me, an American Muslim, to wage war upon my non-Muslim neighbors. You can do no such thing.[...]

9:123. O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allâh is with those who are the Al-Muttaqûn (the pious – see V.2:2).

Ibn Kathir explains that ayeh in this Tafsir: The Order for Jihad against the Disbelievers, the Closest, then the Farthest Areas.

Allah commands the believers to fight the disbelievers, the closest in area to the Islamic state, then the farthest. This is why the Messenger of Allah started fighting the idolators in the Arabian Peninsula. When he finished with them and Allah gave him control over Makkah, Al-Madinah, At-Ta’if, Yemen, Yamamah, Hajr, Khaybar, Hadramawt and other Arab provinces, and the various Arab tribes entered Islam in large crowds, he then started fighting the People of the Scriptures. He began preparations to fight the Romans who were the closest in area to the Arabian Peninsula, and as such, had the most right to be called to Islam, especially since they were from the People of the Scriptures. The Prophet marched until he reached Tabuk and went back because of the extreme hardship, little rain and little supplies. [...]

During `Uthman’s reign, Islam wore its widest garment and Allah’s unequivocal proof was established in various parts of the world over the necks of the servants. Islam appeared in the eastern and western parts of the world and Allah’s Word was elevated and His religion apparent. The pure religion reached its deepest aims against Allah’s enemies, and whenever Muslims overcame an Ummah, they moved to the next one, and then the next one, crushing the tyranical evil doers. They did this in reverence to Allah’s statement,

﴿يَأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ قَاتِلُواْ الَّذِينَ يَلُونَكُمْ مِّنَ الْكُفَّارِ﴾

(O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you,) Allah said next,

﴿وَلِيَجِدُواْ فِيكُمْ غِلْظَةً﴾

(and let them find harshness in you), meaning, let the disbelievers find harshness in you against them in battle. The complete believer is he who is kind to his believing brother, and harsh with his disbelieving enemy.

Abdullah Yusuf Ali comments on this ayat:

* v.123 : When conflict becomes inevitable, the first thing is to clear our surroundings of all evil, for it is only evil that we can rightly fight. To evil we must put up a stout and stiff resistance. Mealy-mouthed compromises are not right for soldiers of truth and righteousness. They are often a compound of cowardice, weariness, greed, and corruptibility.

L:ikewise Tafsir al-Jalalayn:

O you who believe, fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, that is, the nearest, followed by the next nearest of them, and let them find harshness in you, that is, severity, in other words, be harsh with them, and know that God is with the pious, helping and granting [them] victory.

Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas cites the names of local tribes whom Moe attacked in accordance with 9:123 I have an ahadith to show you about his treatment of one of those tribes.

(O ye who believe!) in Muhammad (pbuh) and in the Qur’an (Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you) the Banu Qurayzah, Banu’l-Nadir, Fadak and Khaybar, (and let them find harshness in you) toughness from you, (and know) O believers (that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)) Allah helps the believers: Muhammad (pbuh) and his Companions, by making them victorious over their enemies.

Abu Dawud Book 38, Number 4390:
Narrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi:
I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.

Allah made another command to fight, earlier in the same surah. This ayeh is the foundation of significant jurisprudence.

9:29. Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allâh, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allâh and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islâm) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Rodwell has a slightly different choice of words.

Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled.

Moe confirmed the command.

Abu Dawud 14.2635
Narrated Anas ibn Malik:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, face our qiblah (direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us. When they do that, their life and property are unlawful for us except what is due to them. They will have the same rights as the Muslims have, and have the same responsibilities as the Muslims have.

The command & confirmation form the basis of significant jurisprudence.

The Reliance of the Traveller. Version 1.06 – By Ahmad Ibn Naqib Al-Misri
BOOK O: JUSTICE >> Chapter O-9.0: Jihad

O-9.8: The Objectives of Jihad
The caliph (o-25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o-11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled” (Koran 9.29),
the time and place for which is before the final descent of Jesus (upon whom be peace). After his final coming, nothing but Islam will be accepted from them, for taking the poll tax is only effective until Jesus’ descent (upon him and our Prophet be peace), which is the divinely revealed law of Muhammad. The coming of Jesus does not entail a separate divinely revealed law, for he will rule by the law of Muhammad. As for the Prophet’s saying (Allah bless him and give him peace),
“I am the last, there will be no prophet after me,”

Al-Ghazali & Al-Shafi’i add something important, which I will highlight.

Below is what Al-Ghazali actually wrote about jihad war, and the treatment of the vanquished non-Muslim dhimmi peoples (from the Wagjiz, written in 1101 A.D.): …one must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year…one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them…If a person of the Ahl al-Kitab [People of The Book - Jews and Christians, typically] is enslaved, his marriage is [automatically] revoked…One may cut down their trees…One must destroy their useless books. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide…they may steal as much food as they need…

Al-Shafi’i (God have mercy on him) said: “The least that the imam must do is that he allow no year to pass without having organised a military expedition by himself, or by his raiding parties, according to the Muslims’ interest, so that the jihad will only be stopped in a year for a (reasonable) excuse.” He said: “If he did not undertake the sending of enough troops to fight, those who are absent (must) go out, and consider as an obligation that which God (who is praised) said.” I said: “What I have mentioned showed that if a group was needed to carry out an expedition, [f. 175 a] our duty was incumbent on all of them.

The Qur’an contains commands to engage in aggression. Moe’s sunnah confirms the commands and the fact that he obeyed them. Islamic law, which is based on the Qur’an & sunnah confirms them and the tafsirs also confirm them.

To make matters worse, Islam threatens shirkers with Hellfire and offers participation in Jihad as a get out of Hell free card.

9:38. O you who believe! What is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allâh (i.e. Jihâd) you cling heavily to the earth? Are you pleased with the life of this world rather than the Hereafter? But little is the enjoyment of the life of this world as compared with the Hereafter.

9:39. If you march not forth, He will punish you with a painful torment and will replace you by another people, and you cannot harm Him at all, and Allâh is Able to do all things.

61:10. O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment.

61:11. That you believe in Allâh and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allâh with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know!

61:12. (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of ‘Adn ­ Eternity ['Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.

That is what makes every Muslim a potential terrorist, and makes the institution a proximate, and perpetual threat to our lives and liberties.

I can cite the chapter & verse, I did, and I provided sufficient documentation to prove my assertion. Please join me in jeering at the damned fool’s idiotic challenge. Please join me in cursing & condemning Islam, its demon, messenger & the damnabl doctrines which have led to the premature death of millions of innocent victims in the last 1385 years.

March 20, 2008 - Posted by dajjal | Religion | , , | 3 Comments

3 Comments »

  1. Such truly “Christian” behavior for you to be frothing at the mouth and spewing incessant ad hominems like this.

    Now, the poor beaten soul thinks that he can re-write history, much akin to what has happened in the Bible. Let me paste my challenge that he woefully fails in answering here:

    “Again, for the millionth time:

    IF YOUR BIBLE SAYS GOD COMMANDED THE HEBREWS TO SLAUGHTER MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN AND TO ENSLAVE LITTLE GIRLS FOR SEX THEN YOU CAN NOT CALL ANY OTHER RELIGION ON PLANET EARTH VIOLENT.

    “Deaf, dumb and blind, they will not find the path.”

    Now to summarize the challenges you will endlessly evade:

    1) FIND A SINGLE VERSE IN THE QUR’AN THAT COMPARES EVEN REMOTELY TO NUMBERS 31.

    2) FIND A SINGLE VERSE IN THE QUR’AN THAT INSTRUCTS AMERICAN MUSLIMS TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THEIR NON-MUSLIM NEIGHBORS.”

    Note, how he left the first part out? Telling, indeed. This verse from the Bible is most appropriate here:

    “And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”
    [Matthew 7:3]

    For the millionth time:

    IF YOUR BIBLE SAYS GOD COMMANDED THE HEBREWS TO SLAUGHTER MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN AND TO ENSLAVE LITTLE GIRLS FOR SEX THEN YOU CAN NOT CALL ANY OTHER RELIGION ON PLANET EARTH VIOLENT.

    Old Testament:

    “AND THE LORD SPAKE UNTO MOSES, SAYING, AVENGE THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL OF THE MIDIANITES: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people. And Moses spake unto the people, saying, ARM SOME OF YOURSELVES UNTO THE WAR, AND LET THEM GO AGAINST THE MIDIANITES, AND AVENGE THE LORD OF MIDIAN.”
    [Numbers 31:1-3]

    This genocide, slaughter, rape and child sex slavery was the order and command of GOD HIMSELF according to the Bible.

    Furthermore, to say this was an act of the Hebrews themselves is ludicrous because the Hebrews displayed compassion and Moses REPRIMANDED them for it!

    “And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp. AND MOSES WAS WROTH (ANGRY!) with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle. AND MOSES SAID UNTO THEM, HAVE YE SAVED ALL THE WOMEN ALIVE? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. NOW THEREFORE KILL EVERY MALE AMONG THE LITTLE ONES, AND KILL EVERY WOMAN THAT HATH KNOWN MAN BY LYING WITH HIM. BUT ALL THE WOMEN CHILDREN, THAT HAVE NOT KNOWN A MAN BY LYING WITH HIM, KEEP ALIVE FOR YOURSELVES.”

    New Testament:

    “And He said to them, ‘When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?’ So they said, ‘Nothing.’ Then He said to them, ‘BUT NOW, HE WHO HAS A MONEY BAG, LET HIM TAKE IT, AND LIKEWISE A KNAPSACK; AND HE WHO HAS NO SWORD, LET HIM SELL HIS GARMENT AND BUY ONE. For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.’ SO THEY SAID, ‘LORD, LOOK,HERE ARE TWO SWORDS.’ And He said to them, ‘IT IS ENOUGH.’”
    [Luke 21:38]

    And this is what the world has to look forward to when Jesus returns according to the Book of Revelation:

    “”And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. AND OUT OF HIS MOUTH GOETH A SHARP SWORD, THAT WITH IT HE SHOULD SMITE THE NATIONS: AND HE SHALL RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON: AND HE TREADETH THE WINEPRESS OF THE FIERCENESS AND WRATH OF ALMIGHTY GOD.”
    [Revelations 19:11-15]

    You can call Islam violent all you want. If, for the sake of argument, it is, then it is no break whatsoever than the norm found in the Semitic religious tradition of the Jews and their indiscriminate culling of civilians in the Bible and Jesus’ readiness to battle his Roman captors.

    Next, I’ll address the complete lies about the Qur’an posted in this maniacal blog entry shortly, God willing.

    Comment by philomantis | March 20, 2008 |

  2. Now, to address the complete wanton misrepresentation of the Qur’anic verses.

    Ben chose to conveniently ignore #1 of my challenge (FIND A SINGLE VERSE IN THE QUR’AN THAT COMPARES EVEN REMOTELY TO NUMBERS 31) and shamefully jump

    to #2 (FIND A SINGLE VERSE IN THE QUR’AN THAT INSTRUCTS AMERICAN MUSLIMS TO WAGE WAR AGAINST THEIR NON-MUSLIM NEIGHBORS). Dubious, but perfectly fine by me.

    To answer #2 of my challenge, Ben wrote:

    “9:123. O you who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allâh is with those who are the Al-Muttaqûn (the pious – see V.2:2).”

    So this is a command that I, an American Muslim, should wage war on my neighbors? Let us look at the context of this verse from Chapter 9 (called “al-Tawbah”) starting with the very first verses!

    “This is a declaration of immunity by God and His Messenger from the polytheists with whom you had a treaty. You may roam freely in the land for four months and know that you can not beleaguer God and that he will cause the disbelievers to be defeated. This is an announcement from God and His Messenger to the People on the Day of the Pilgrimage that God and His Messenger are no longer obligated to the Polytheists. If you repent it is better for you. Yet, if you turn away then know that you can not beleaguer God, and let the disbelievers know of a woeful chastisement.

    EXCEPT for those Polytheists with whom you have a treaty and who did not violate the treaty in any way, and have not supported anyone against you. Continue to fulfill your treaty with them for its entire course, for God loves those who are pious.”
    [Qur'an, al-Tawbah 9:1-4]

    Okay, so this Chapter 9 is supposed to instruct me, an American-Muslim to wage war on my non-Muslim neighbors EXCEPT those who have no broken “the treaty”? What treaty?! So let me get this straight: As an American-Muslim I should read this verse and realize that God and His Messenger are no longer bound by a Treaty that was ratified in March of 628 AD and broken by the Meccan Polytheists in 630 AD? Wow, I’m confused….how exactly ON EARTH should I do that??

    Perhaps, the sane can see that this is talking about an ISOLATED INCIDENT 1400 YEARS AGO! EVERY verse about fighting in this Chapter is relevant to what it states at the BEGINNING of the Chapter: The Arabian Polytheist who violated the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah in 630 AD by attacking tribes that were allied with the Muslims of Medina. It has NO binding WHATSOEVER to any other circumstances outside of those.

    It is pertinent to note that unlike the Biblical Moses’ indiscriminate genocidal rape and pillage fest in Numbers 31, Muhammad is instructed to only fight those who fight against them and to immediately forgive them if they lay down arms:

    “But if they desist from violence, then God is Most-Forgiving and Most-Merciful. Fight until there is no more chaos and oppression and justice and faith prevail; But if they desist let there be no hostility except to those who are oppressors.”
    [Qur'an, al-Baqarah, 2:192-193]

    Finally, as a note I would like to point out that you will find the Evangelical Crusaders always quoting from the Saudi commissioned translation by Hilali and Khan which is severely scorned by Western Muslims for its inaccuracies and very biased hermeneutic translations. Aside from that, the English is so poor it is a burden to read. They quote it for these very same reasons.

    More, tarring and feathering of this hapless bigot afer lunch :)

    Comment by philomantis | March 20, 2008 |

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